Archive The 2nd Presidential Debate

Ty Webb

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Oct 16, 2012 11:08pm

QuakerOats;1297272 wrote:Luntz focus group (of undecideds) says they now will overwhelmingly vote for Romney.

A Republican strategist holding a focus group if Republicans say Romney wins? What a shock

ptown_trojans_1

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Oct 16, 2012 11:08pm

gut;1297248 wrote:I wish Romney would have pointed out you can't get tough with China when you run $1T+ deficits because that's where all the money comes from.

Actually Japan has surpassed China.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-15/romney-can-invoke-japan-overtaking-china-as-u-s-lender.html

Ty Webb

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Oct 16, 2012 11:09pm

QuakerOats;1297273 wrote:Blame Bush ......... yeah, we've heard that now for 4 years.

It's the same situation....give me a valid reason for Obama to resign

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gut

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Oct 16, 2012 11:09pm

jhay78;1297274 wrote: As for Libya, Obama used the phrase "acts of terror" the day after, but in a very generic sense.

I don't have any doubt when Obama spoke that he knew it was terror. I think there was an obvious recognition, a political one, that it needed to be downplayed and shape the story.

To his credit, it was as crafty as anything he could have done on the issue. He'll point to that to demonize Romney and make it look like the factual record all over the news the last two weeks doesn't reflect reality.

End of Line

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Oct 16, 2012 11:11pm

3 points I took from tonight.

Mitt said "Government does not create jobs." Odd....I swear I've been hearing how he's going to create 12 million jobs.

Apparently, you have to get married or you will GET KILLED BY GUNS!

As for saying "We're all children under the same God." Don't give me that bullshit. Even though I'm an Athiest and didn't care for the comment, I'm sure Hindus, Muslims, Jews, Catholics/Christians etc. didn't care for it as well.

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QuakerOats

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Oct 16, 2012 11:12pm

Ty Webb;1297277 wrote:A Republican strategist holding a focus group if Republicans say Romney wins? What a shock

Own up; these are independent swing voters, many who voted obama last time; almost every single one of them now say they will vote for Romney. The swing voters are now breaking for Romney in a huge way. It's over!

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gut

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Oct 16, 2012 11:13pm

ptown_trojans_1;1297278 wrote:Actually Japan has surpassed China.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-15/romney-can-invoke-japan-overtaking-china-as-u-s-lender.html

Same thing. Japan has been labeled a currency manipulator, if unofficially, for years. And they do. It's an export-driven country and a strong currency is not good for their economy. But it is a symbiotic relationship, and an issue mostly of political rhetoric because we do benefit via lower interest rates and cheaper goods.

Very complicated issue to get into. You also have inflationary impacts from getting tough on them.

Ty Webb

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Oct 16, 2012 11:19pm

QuakerOats;1297284 wrote:Own up; these are independent swing voters, many who voted obama last time; almost every single one of them now say they will vote for Romney. The swing voters are now breaking for Romney in a huge way. It's over!

No they aren't independent...did you watch the beginning of his focus group. Half of them identified as Repubs

Ty Webb

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Oct 16, 2012 11:20pm

Fox News is giving it to Obama

se-alum

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Oct 16, 2012 11:20pm

Obama completely lied about his Rose Garden comments, and Crowley was wrong to fact-check Romney incorrectly at that time.

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gut

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Oct 16, 2012 11:22pm

Ty Webb;1297291 wrote:Fox News is giving it to Obama

You must not have seen the results of Fox's poll of voters. Did you actually watch it, or is that just what the email from Obama HQ told you?

bases_loaded

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Oct 16, 2012 11:33pm

The lutz group is independents and it appeared 70% of then voted Obama 08. Now about 15% are. They said all he did was attack.

reclegend22

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Oct 16, 2012 11:35pm

Ty Webb;1297291 wrote:Fox News is giving it to Obama

Are you on demerol?

Ty Webb

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Oct 16, 2012 11:36pm

gut;1297295 wrote:You must not have seen the results of Fox's poll of voters. Did you actually watch it, or is that just what the email from Obama HQ told you?

Colorado indy voters give it 58-38 to Obama

PPP gives it to Obama

CNN gives it to Obama(with a plus 8 Repub sample)

Ty Webb

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Oct 16, 2012 11:36pm

reclegend22;1297307 wrote:Are you on demerol?

Poll on their insider sight has the President winning by 5

Ty Webb

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Oct 16, 2012 11:39pm

Ty Webb;1297310 wrote:Poll on their insider sight has the President winning by 5

Now it's 57-42

Ty Webb

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Oct 16, 2012 11:42pm

CNBC has the President winning 63-33

GVS said on Fox News that some Repubs in the spin room were saying(off-camera of course) "it's over...we just lost"

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gut

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Oct 16, 2012 11:43pm

reclegend22;1297307 wrote:Are you on demerol?

The last debate was so pathetic they're latching on to a push, at best, as some sort of landslide.

Obama watched Biden score points with the base by talking loudly and lying with confidence, and he took the same tactic with a more polished Presidential angle. And it's clearly working. The kool-aid drinkers are eating it up but it's not going to give him the independents he needs to win the election.

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gut

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Oct 16, 2012 11:44pm

Ty Webb;1297309 wrote: CNN gives it to Obama(with a plus 8 Repub sample)

I know you're desperate when you start talking about oversampling. You never acknowledge it when it takes the shine off the spin in your mailbox.

reclegend22

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Oct 16, 2012 11:46pm

Ty Webb;1297313 wrote:CNBC has the President winning 63-33

GVS said on Fox News that some Repubs in the spin room were saying(off-camera of course) "it's over...we just lost"

And you are watching Fox News Jupiter? Please cite your sources. I've been watching the entire time you have been watching and never once heard anything remotely close to that. I will willingly admit if I am wrong, however.

Ty Webb

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Oct 16, 2012 11:47pm

gut;1297315 wrote:I know you're desperate when you start talking about oversampling. You never acknowledge it when it takes the shine off the spin in your mailbox.

They said it themselves

Ty Webb

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Oct 16, 2012 11:48pm

reclegend22;1297316 wrote:And you are watching Fox News Jupiter? Please cite your sources. I've been watching the entire time you have been watching and never once heard anything remotely close to that. I will willingly admit if I am wrong, however.

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2012/10/16/who-won-the-second-presidential-debate-vote-hofstra-university/

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gut

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Oct 16, 2012 11:50pm

Why not quote these numbers Ty? This is from your loveable CNN poll

Who will handle the economy better?
Romney 58-40

Who will handle the deficit better:
Romney 63-32

Who will handle taxes better:
Romney 49-46

Central, key issues. Romney again gutted Obama on the issues that matter.

Ty Webb

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Oct 16, 2012 11:52pm

gut;1297321 wrote:Why not quote these numbers Ty? This is from your loveable CNN poll

Who will handle the economy better?
Romney 58-40

Who will handle the deficit better:
Romney 63-32

Who will handle taxes better:
Romney 49-46

Central, key issues.

Good for Gov.Romney....he needs some good news he still is losing in states he NEEDS to win

Of the undecideds...25 % more likely to vote for Obama,25% for Romney. Other 50% said it didn't change their minds

mucalum49

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Oct 16, 2012 11:55pm

Rut-Roh. Reaction to the mid-debate fact check already. Seems like Libya will be the narrative coming out of the debate which will not benefit the President.

http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/conscience-conservative/2012/oct/16/candy-crowley-lies-during-debate-obama-never-said-/