They were forcing stuff all night. I didn't notice this , but thanks for making my point. Playing at another level indicates doing something better not worse.


Alex Len was averaging seven points per game over his last eight games heading into the Duke game, according to ESPN's broadcast, and scored only nine against Duke in Cameron.
The ESPN numbers you cited are not good.In Len's 8 games preceding duke Len scored 79 points , which means he averaged almost 10.0 ppg. He is averaging 12.1 ppg in ACC games.

duke lost because POY candidate Mason Plumleee did not show up.

Prescott;1391480 wrote:They were forcing stuff all night. I didn't notice this , but thanks for making my point. Playing at another level indicates doing something better not worse.


Alex Len was averaging seven points per game over his last eight games heading into the Duke game, according to ESPN's broadcast, and scored only nine against Duke in Cameron.
The ESPN numbers you cited are not good.In Len's 8 games preceding duke Len scored 79 points , which means he averaged almost 10.0 ppg. He is averaging 12.1 ppg in ACC games.

duke lost because POY candidate Mason Plumleee did not show up.

Len was averaging 8.6 points per game over his last five outings, with his highest output being 12 and scoring 4 against Florida State. ESPN must have said five games instead of eight. I don't know, I blocked that game out.

You are right in that Mason Plumlee did not show up, and I have already mentioned that as a prime reason for Duke losing. He played like a third-rate center in that game. However, Maryland had multiple guys who has "season" games against the Blue Devils. You will likely not see Seth Allen top 15 points in another game all season long.

As Coach K said, a lot of teams want to beat Duke; Maryland is just one of them.

You will likely not see Seth Allen top 15 points in another game all season long. You may be right about this. He probably won't get as many minutes when Pe'Shon Howard returns.

Are you sure about your numbers this time? Len took 6 shots at CIS and 8 shots at Comcast. The difference was that he made 2 free throws at CIS and he made 7 free throws at Comcast.

Prescott;1391220 wrote:They play at another level against Duke

Yea, 26 turnovers is playing at another level. Please..........

26 turnovers or not hem and their fans are as energized as it gets against Duke

http://msn.foxsports.com/collegebasketball/story/Duke-mourns-death-of-former-star-Phil-Henderson-021813

[h=3]DURHAM, N.C. (AP)[/h]Duke says former star Phil Henderson has died.
[h=3] [SUB]Coach Mike Krzyzewski said Monday that Henderson's mother told him that her son died Sunday at his home in the Philippines at the age of 44. No cause of death was given.[/SUB][/h]

Henderson was a senior captain and the leading scorer on the 1989-90 Duke team that lost to UNLV in the national championship game. He averaged 18.5 points that year and scored 22.3 points in tournament play during that postseason.
Krzyzewski says the Duke basketball family was ''deeply saddened'' to hear of Henderson's death and called him ''a talented player and a good man with a gentle soul.''
Henderson was taken by the Dallas Mavericks in the second round of the 1990 NBA draft but played internationally as a pro.

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Take that, 'Zo.

Kelly sitting behind me at Panera at the moment. Kid can't put any weight on that foot. Boot and all. No way he is close to playing.

swamisez;1392569 wrote:Kelly sitting behind me at Panera at the moment. Kid can't put any weight on that foot. Boot and all. No way he is close to playing.

I'm just going to pretend I didn't read any of that. Fuck.

BUT, think you could snap a quick video of his foot on your phone? Might be creepy though. But I'd like to see his gait if possible.

reclegend22;1392581 wrote:I'm just going to pretend I didn't read any of that. Fuck.

BUT, think you could snap a quick video of his foot on your phone? Might be creepy though. But I'd like to see his gait if possible.

LOL. reps

Uh no, not gonna creep. Did talk to him a bit and all he would say that it "is on schedule". I said schedule for the NBA draft camp or ACC tournament? He laughed and didn't really give it an answer. Not that any real info is going to be given by him to me.

He is a Euro player.

He is a Euro player

which will make Ryan Kelly a very valuable asset in the NBA, where near seven-footers with the ability to create spacing and shoot the long range J are a commodity. Steve Novak, at 6-10, has made a living in the NBA creating space and launching treys for over half a decade now, and he does nothing else aside from that. He barely moves, other than to flick his wrist. Yet, he is a central cog in the Knicks' offensive strategy. Kelly is also a very underrated ball handler for his size. He's got good touch inside, and was leading the ACC in points per post up play before going down.

Suck about Phil Henderson.

Steve Novak, at 6-10, has made a living in the NBA creating space and launching treys for over half a decade now, and he does nothing else aside from that.

Novak was a specialist in college. He took 768 (3)'s during his college career, made 354 of those shots for a career percentage of 46%.

Kelly's game is not as specialized. He has only taken 234 in his duke career and made 92 of those shots for a career percentage of 39.3%.

prescott wrote:Novak was a specialist in college. He took 768 (3)'s during his college career, made 354 of those shots for a career percentage of 46%.

Kelly's game is not as specialized. He has only taken 234 in his duke career and made 92 of those shots for a career percentage of 39.3%.

While Kelly is not a prototypical three-point specialist, he has increased his percentage from deep each season and was on pace to take more outside shots this season than any other. He was 40 of 98 from three in 2011-12 (40%) in 34 games. In 2012-13, in just 15 games, Kelly is 25 of 48 (52%). In the nine games prior to sustaining his injury, he had made 21 of 31 shots from beyond the arc. He had become a lethal shooter.

At 6-11, and with that type of precision accuracy from long-range, Kelly could most definitely find his way onto an NBA roster. As I also said, unlike a guy like Novak, Kelly also brings additional skills to the floor such as an underrated ability to put the ball on the floor for the mid-range jumper, finish inside and play defense. He is heady, uses his hands and length brilliantly (leads Duke in shot blocks per game), mobile enough to guard multiple positions on the perimeter and possesses an uncanny ability to find the open man for somebody his size. All highly sought-after traits in the League.

I doubt Kelly will be drafted, but I think he will easily find a spot on a roster (for at least a few years) because at 6-11 with that range someone will want him. Same reason I think Christian Watford will find a spot on a roster for a few years. 6-9 and can rebound well and shoot from deep.

Laley23;1393074 wrote:I doubt Kelly will be drafted, but I think he will easily find a spot on a roster (for at least a few years) because at 6-11 with that range someone will want him. Same reason I think Christian Watford will find a spot on a roster for a few years. 6-9 and can rebound well and shoot from deep.

I agree with this. I think Kelly will have to work to get there, but in the end, I think he will be given his chance at a spot in the NBA. How successful he'll end being there, I'm not sure. But I think he could play a role somewhere.

He is heady, uses his hands and length brilliantly (leads Duke in shot blocks per game), mobile enough to guard multiple positions on the perimeter and possesses an uncanny ability to find the open man for somebody his size.

If Kelly tries to make the league based on his defense you will see him playing in the local church league. The NBA game is based on speed and quickness, which are qualities Kelly does not possess.

I agree with this assessment:

Concerns about his strength and athleticism are especially pronounced on the defensive end. Though Kelly is a very engaged defender with good instincts and awareness, his physical deficiencies stand out at this level and will most certainly be a problem at the next. In particular, his underwhelming lateral quickness and footspeed make him a liability away from the basket where he struggles to close out on perimeter shooters and is easily beaten off of the dribble by quicker players. At 6-11, he may be better off defending centers in the NBA, but does he have the strength to contain them in the post?

He is a below average rebounder for his size at 8.0 rebounds per 40 minutes pace adjusted, as well, which stacks up very poorly in comparison to power forwards in our database and certainly doesn't help his case when projecting him in an NBA rotation.

Kelly ultimately presents scouts with an interesting conundrum. Though he has an excellent feel for the game and NBA-caliber shooting ability out of spot-up, pick-and-pop, and isolation situations, his weaknesses likely relegate him to a very specific role at the next level. Therefore, any team that considers drafting him will have to be a perfect fit, able to mask his weaknesses and maximize his strengths. Despite his physical deficiencies, players with Ryan Kelly's skill-set are nevertheless very much in demand in today's NBA, which revolves heavily around spacing. It's not too difficult to see him landing on someone's roster when it's all said and done, but he will need to have a great senior year to ensure he gets drafted. [LEFT]
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ccrunner609;1393162 wrote:Joke right?? I cant disagree with this more. If he goes undrafted its because of injury not talent. If he went unijured this year he would be a 1st rounder and still might be if he fully recovers.

Yes, of course it takes injury into account lol. Dude probably wont play the rest of the year.

Prescott;1393113 wrote:He is heady, uses his hands and length brilliantly (leads Duke in shot blocks per game), mobile enough to guard multiple positions on the perimeter and possesses an uncanny ability to find the open man for somebody his size.

If Kelly tries to make the league based on his defense you will see him playing in the local church league. The NBA game is based on speed and quickness, which are qualities Kelly does not possess.

I agree with this assessment:

Concerns about his strength and athleticism are especially pronounced on the defensive end. Though Kelly is a very engaged defender with good instincts and awareness, his physical deficiencies stand out at this level and will most certainly be a problem at the next. In particular, his underwhelming lateral quickness and footspeed make him a liability away from the basket where he struggles to close out on perimeter shooters and is easily beaten off of the dribble by quicker players. At 6-11, he may be better off defending centers in the NBA, but does he have the strength to contain them in the post?

He is a below average rebounder for his size at 8.0 rebounds per 40 minutes pace adjusted, as well, which stacks up very poorly in comparison to power forwards in our database and certainly doesn't help his case when projecting him in an NBA rotation.

Kelly ultimately presents scouts with an interesting conundrum. Though he has an excellent feel for the game and NBA-caliber shooting ability out of spot-up, pick-and-pop, and isolation situations, his weaknesses likely relegate him to a very specific role at the next level. Therefore, any team that considers drafting him will have to be a perfect fit, able to mask his weaknesses and maximize his strengths. Despite his physical deficiencies, players with Ryan Kelly's skill-set are nevertheless very much in demand in today's NBA, which revolves heavily around spacing. It's not too difficult to see him landing on someone's roster when it's all said and done, but he will need to have a great senior year to ensure he gets drafted. [LEFT]
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Would it kill you to use the QUOTE feature?

ccrunner609;1393162 wrote:Joke right?? I cant disagree with this more. If he goes undrafted its because of injury not talent. If he went unijured this year he would be a 1st rounder and still might be if he fully recovers.

He was never going to be a 1st rounder.

ccrunner609;1393360 wrote:your post make you look like you dont know anything. The end of the 1st round can be so weak. Guys like Arnett Moultrie, Noris Cole and Daniel Orton were picked toward the back. Go back to 2010 draft...the last 5-6 picks in the 1st round were horrible players that are well under Kelly's skill set.

keep trollling.

Kelly was never going to be a 1st rounder injury or not

Crimson streak;1393361 wrote:Kelly was never going to be a 1st rounder injury or not

Lets take a vote. Crimson,Laley, and maybe rec agree that Kelly isn't a 1st round draft choice. CC thinks he is . Any other votes?

Draft Express didn't have him in their Top 100 at the start of the year. They don't have him in their Top 100 from 2/11.

My vote is that he didn't jump up 70+ spots in two months and then fall 70+ spots in one.

GOONx19;1393391 wrote:Draft Express didn't have him in their Top 100 at the start of the year. They don't have him in their Top 100 from 2/11.

My vote is that he didn't jump up 70+ spots in two months and then fall 70+ spots in one.

Especially with an injury sprinkled in there.

Just because he's important to Duke, doesn't mean he's a 1st round pick