wes_mantooth
Posts: 17,977
Oct 12, 2012 10:58am
agreed. The AL hasn't played to their talent levels...especially Texas and the NL was meh. I really was surprised that the Giants got down 2-0, but I think they have the better team for playoff baseball (pitching is everything).gerb131;1293156 wrote:This was the year to win it all the NL is weak as shit and Texas was suppose to be the best and they barely made the playoffs.
You can't leave 42 people on base in 5 games and expect to win. A disappointment indeed. I listened on the radio so I didn't see the balls or strikes but regardless Hanigan needs to swing. Also you don't leave the likely ROY on the bench for a gentleman.
Game 3 was sad, we rolled over in 4 and it bit us in 5.
Oh well...
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Oct 12, 2012 11:13am
wes_mantooth;1293454 wrote:agreed. The AL hasn't played to their talent levels...especially Texas and the NL was meh. I really was surprised that the Giants got down 2-0, but I think they have the better team for playoff baseball (pitching is everything).
Agreed, easily the better playoff team.
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Oct 12, 2012 11:18am
Reds pitching was better that the Giants this year. By a lot. So...wes_mantooth;1293454 wrote:agreed. The AL hasn't played to their talent levels...especially Texas and the NL was meh. I really was surprised that the Giants got down 2-0, but I think they have the better team for playoff baseball (pitching is everything).
The Reds just shit the bed. There was no excuse for not winning game 3. None. The Giants had one fucking hit through 9 innings and still won the damn game.
justincredible
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Oct 12, 2012 11:18am
Also, lots of nice trolling in this thread.
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Tiernan
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Oct 12, 2012 11:23am
Reds SUCK! ...ya mean like that?justincredible;1293472 wrote:Also, lots of nice trolling in this thread.
justincredible
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Oct 12, 2012 11:30am
[video=youtube;sfvoFa4phO4][/video]Tiernan;1293475 wrote:Reds SUCK! ...ya mean like that?
Commander of Awesome
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Oct 12, 2012 11:35am
Jordo's never that blatant.Tiernan;1293475 wrote:Reds SUCK! ...ya mean like that?
wes_mantooth
Posts: 17,977
Oct 12, 2012 11:39am
Playoff baseball is a whole different animal. I would take that goofball Matt Cain over anything the Reds have. The Reds just remind of me of the Minnesota twins of a few years ago.justincredible;1293471 wrote:Reds pitching was better that the Giants this year. By a lot. So...
The Reds just shit the bed. There was no excuse for not winning game 3. None. The Giants had one fucking hit through 9 innings and still won the damn game.
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Oct 12, 2012 11:40am
More on the pitching. Reds team ERA was a third of a run better than the Giants playing 81 games in GABP while the Giants play 81 games in AT&T. I believe the Giants were below average in ERA+ while the Reds were almost at the top. I can't seem to find those rankings, though.
The Reds pitching staff was FAR AND AWAY better than San Fran this season. The Reds just choked. Simple as that.
The Reds pitching staff was FAR AND AWAY better than San Fran this season. The Reds just choked. Simple as that.
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Oct 12, 2012 11:42am
Reds beat Cain in game 1 pretty easily. They didn't do shit against Bumgarner in the regular season but handed it to him in game 2.wes_mantooth;1293488 wrote:Playoff baseball is a whole different animal. I would take that goofball Matt Cain over anything the Reds have. The Reds just remind of me of the Minnesota twins of a few years ago.
Heretic
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Oct 12, 2012 11:46am
Looking at the stats for SF's pitching this season, I'd say the main differences were that the Reds didn't have a starter as bad as Lincecum was this season AND they didn't have a reliever who got as many appearances with mediocre stats like Hensley (4.62 era, 1.58 whip in 60 games). And Hensley didn't play in the series, while Lincecum was basically untouchable in a relief role, which essentially negated that advantage.justincredible;1293489 wrote:More on the pitching. Reds team ERA was a third of a run better than the Giants playing 81 games in GABP while the Giants play 81 games in AT&T. I believe the Giants were below average in ERA+ while the Reds were almost at the top. I can't seem to find those rankings, though.
The Reds pitching staff was FAR AND AWAY better than San Fran this season. The Reds just choked. Simple as that.
wes_mantooth
Posts: 17,977
Oct 12, 2012 11:46am
No doubt they choked. You won't convince me that they are better playoff team than SF, but you get up 2-0 with 3 shots at home...you gotta close it out.justincredible;1293489 wrote:More on the pitching. Reds team ERA was a third of a run better than the Giants playing 81 games in GABP while the Giants play 81 games in AT&T. I believe the Giants were below average in ERA+ while the Reds were almost at the top. I can't seem to find those rankings, though.
The Reds pitching staff was FAR AND AWAY better than San Fran this season. The Reds just choked. Simple as that.
like_that
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Oct 12, 2012 11:47am
Are your referring to me? Don't see how giving my opinion is trolling.justincredible;1293472 wrote:Also, lots of nice trolling in this thread.
like_that
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Oct 12, 2012 11:48am
Not really that convinced. If I was a betting man, I easily would have chosen the Giants.wes_mantooth;1293496 wrote:No doubt they choked. You won't convince me that they are better playoff team than SF, but you get up 2-0 with 3 shots at home...you gotta close it out.
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Oct 12, 2012 11:51am
Feel free to piss on us while we're down. If the Reds had won this series you wouldn't be in here claiming the Giants were the better team. Hindsight is 20/20 and it's easy to be "right" after the fact. And I'll refrain from taking shots at the Indians because that's not my style.
like_that
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Oct 12, 2012 11:54am
The indians have nothing to do with this series. I never said the red suck. They are a pretty good team, they just weren't the best team in the playoffs imo. Not trying to piss on the reds.justincredible;1293504 wrote:Feel free to piss on us while we're down. If the Reds had won this series you wouldn't be in here claiming the Giants were the better team. Hindsight is 20/20 and it's easy to be "right" after the fact. And I'll refrain from taking shots at the Indians because that's not my style.
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Oct 12, 2012 12:00pm
It's just I never see you guys in Reds threads. Ever. And now they are eliminated and you're going on and on about how much better the Giants were. Just seems like a "kicking us while we're down" kind of thing.
wes_mantooth
Posts: 17,977
Oct 12, 2012 12:01pm
No use pissing on the Indians...the Dolan's have pissed all over the city for years.justincredible;1293504 wrote:Feel free to piss on us while we're down. If the Reds had won this series you wouldn't be in here claiming the Giants were the better team. Hindsight is 20/20 and it's easy to be "right" after the fact. And I'll refrain from taking shots at the Indians because that's not my style.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Oct 12, 2012 12:03pm
Interesting. Sounds like something Browns/Cleveland fan have complaining about for a while.justincredible;1293511 wrote:It's just I never see you guys in Reds threads. Ever. And now they are eliminated and you're going on and on about how much better the Giants were. Just seems like a "kicking us while we're down" kind of thing.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Oct 12, 2012 12:08pm
Reds fans have to be scratching their heads after Latos's meltdown. Reds gave up a lot to get him in hopes of him pushing them to the next level. Really have to question the front office and the desperation move considering everything the Reds gave up to get him only to have him ruin their run in the playoffs. I also have to question what the hell Dusty was thinking keeping him out there. I'll give the Reds some credit though, they got pretty far considering their lack of talent. Wouldn't expect them to be back in the playoffs next season though without some major changes.
like_that
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Oct 12, 2012 12:08pm
Commander of Awesome;1293513 wrote:Interesting. Sounds like something Browns/Cleveland fan have complaining about for a while.
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Oct 12, 2012 12:10pm
No way, this wasn't on Latos. He's a young guy with tons of talent and had an outstanding season and saved our asses in game 1. He should have never been put in the situation of pitching to Posey with the bases loaded. Posey took him deep in game 1 in a giant park. He was showing signs of fatigue. LeCure should've been brought in to face Buster.Commander of Awesome;1293519 wrote:Reds fans have to be scratching their heads after Latos's meltdown. Reds gave up a lot to get him in hopes of him pushing them to the next level. Really have to question the front office and the desperation move considering everything the Reds gave up to get him only to have him ruin their run in the playoffs. I also have to question what the hell Dusty was thinking keeping him out there. I'll give the Reds some credit though, they got pretty far considering their lack of talent. Wouldn't expect them to be back in the playoffs next season though without some major changes.
And LOL at lack of talent. One of the best overall pitching staffs in baseball. Votto, Phillips, Ludwick, Bruce, Hanigan were all among the best at their positions.
justincredible
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Oct 12, 2012 12:10pm
I don't read/post in Cleveland threads so I wouldn't know.Commander of Awesome;1293513 wrote:Interesting. Sounds like something Browns/Cleveland fan have complaining about for a while.
like_that
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Oct 12, 2012 12:12pm
It's a hell of a lot more annoying than what you are reading now.justincredible;1293524 wrote:I don't read/post in Cleveland threads so I wouldn't know.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Oct 12, 2012 12:13pm
Yeah too bad Francona is already off the market, he's exactly what you need in a Manager. Maybe Acta would be interested in the job?justincredible;1293522 wrote:No way, this wasn't on Latos. He's a young guy with tons of talent and had an outstanding season and saved our asses in game 1. He should have never been put in the situation of pitching to Posey with the bases loaded. Posey took him deep in game 1 in a giant park. He was showing signs of fatigue. LeCure should've been brought in to face Buster.
And LOL at lack of talent. One of the best overall pitching staffs in baseball. Votto, Phillips, Ludwick, Bruce, Hanigan were all among the best at their positions.