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Feb 21, 2013 11:31 AM
wildcats20;1393592 wrote:The Zags have 3 wins against the top 50 RPI. Miami has 7.

Yes they have 2 bad losses, but they were not at full strength. Which is definitely a factor to take into consideration.
Agreed. Gonzaga would have just as many losses as any of the other legitimate number one seed candidates if the Zags did not play against the Boy Scouts of America 16 or 18 games a season. The West Conference is in the worst state it has ever been, and that is saying something.

Baylor is not a tournament team at this point, and, honestly, Oklahoma, Kansas State and Oklahoma State aren't as impressive of wins as some of the other teams vying for top seed honors. Gonzaga, as has been pointed out above, might end up getting one, however, based on attrition.
Feb 21, 2013 11:31am
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Feb 21, 2013 11:38 AM
Yeah.

Their best win is Oklahoma.
Feb 21, 2013 11:38am
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Feb 21, 2013 11:40 AM
This is assuming they win out. You could loosely say that for every loss they have, they drop at least a seed line or two.

At 31-2, it's a #1 no doubt.

Syracuse, Miami and Indiana will be the others, IMO.
Feb 21, 2013 11:40am
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Feb 21, 2013 11:46 AM
wildcats20;1393592 wrote:The Zags have 3 wins against the top 50 RPI. Miami has 7.

Yes they have 2 bad losses, but they were not at full strength. Which is definitely a factor to take into consideration.
Why do we care about the top 50? Someone in the top 30 is a good win (which I think Gonzaga has 3 and Miami 5). Top 50 is whatever. Ive never understood that. Top 50 isnt even an NCAA tournament team all the time!

But, its also convenient that St. Marys is 51...


Look, Miami is better than Gonzaga. I am not arguing that. But looking at their schedules, Miami is only playing a marginally tougher one than Gonzaga imo. It is off-set by Miami having bad losses and Gonzaga not.
Feb 21, 2013 11:46am
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Feb 21, 2013 11:48 AM
Azubuike24;1393607 wrote:This is assuming they win out. You could loosely say that for every loss they have, they drop at least a seed line or two.

At 31-2, it's a #1 no doubt.

Syracuse, Miami and Indiana will be the others, IMO.
Michigan State could bump out Syracuse if they win the B1G Tournament or even Reg. Season (which might also mean IU is bumped out lol). LEts hope that doesnt happen.
Feb 21, 2013 11:48am
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Feb 21, 2013 12:00 PM
For Duke to earn a No. 1 seed, the Blue Devils will have take care of business against Va Tech and Boston College (as it should), beat Miami at home, and then lose only one game between Virginia and North Carolina (I think Duke definitely loses at UNC) to close the season, while at least getting ot the championship game of the ACC Tournament. Say Duke beats Miami at home, makes it to the ACC title game and loses to Miami (a one seed at that point) in a close game to finish 30-5, I think the Devils have a shot to give the ACC two one seeds and knock Gonzaga out of contention.

That's not a very unrealistic scenario, either. If Duke loses to Va Tech, however, it's over. Which could happen. Eric Green is a monster scorer and the Hokies have been very competitive of late.
Feb 21, 2013 12:00pm
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Feb 21, 2013 12:01 PM
Laley23;1393613 wrote:Look, Miami is better than Gonzaga. I am not arguing that. But looking at their schedules, Miami is only playing a marginally tougher one than Gonzaga imo. It is off-set by Miami having bad losses and Gonzaga not.
How is playing 18 games in the ACC only "marginally" tougher than playing 18 games in the West Coast Conference? Sorry, but that's way wrong. And, like Gonzaga in its weak conference, Miami is undefeated in the ACC, a supremely better league. Supremely.
Feb 21, 2013 12:01pm
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Feb 21, 2013 12:07 PM
Gonzaga's sos is 71st according to ESPN's RPI page.

Miami's is third.
Feb 21, 2013 12:07pm
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Feb 21, 2013 12:21 PM
Azubuike24;1393534 wrote:The Zags get a #1 if they win out. Like Prescott said. Their 2 losses, Butler and Illinois aren't bad at all. The Butler loss was almost a fluke. They could finish 31-2 and in a season where nobody else is going to have less than 5 losses, they are gonna get a #1.

Miami wins out they will have 3.
Feb 21, 2013 12:21pm
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Feb 21, 2013 1:41 PM
wildcats20;1393636 wrote:Miami wins out they will have 3.
If Miami wins out that would mean duke lost one game and maybe two games which would end the dukies hope for a #1 seed. Nobody is saying Miami doesn't deserve a #1 seed right now.
Feb 21, 2013 1:41pm
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Feb 21, 2013 1:56 PM
wildcats20;1393636 wrote:Miami wins out they will have 3.
After Gonzaga caps an impressive three-game winning streak over Ocean College, Sea University and Beach Tech to end its juggernaut conference schedule, I don't see how Miami even has an argument. The ACC is way down this year.
Feb 21, 2013 1:56pm
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Feb 21, 2013 2:05 PM
Prescott;1393703 wrote:If Miami wins out that would mean duke lost one game and maybe two games which would end the dukies hope for a #1 seed. Nobody is saying Miami doesn't deserve a #1 seed right now.
Duke can definitely lose one, maybe two, games and still be in serious contention for a one seed. Assuming those losses are to the right teams. A second loss to Miami in Cameron Indoor would not be as devastating, for example, if the Blue Devils won out the rest of their games and beat Miami on the path to the ACC Tournament title.

A scenario where Duke could possibly still achieve a one seed with as many as two losses would be beating Miami in Cameron, losing to North Carolina or Virginia on the road (but not both), winning the rest of the games it should against Va Tech (at home and away) and BC (home), and then making it all the way to the ACC title game and losing to Miami in a close game. In that instance, I think Duke and Miami could both possibly get ones, despending, of course, on what other teams in the running do.

Those are just a couple paths to a one for Duke that could be on the table IMO.
Feb 21, 2013 2:05pm
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Feb 21, 2013 2:12 PM
reclegend22;1393713 wrote:Duke can definitely lose one, maybe two, games and still be in serious contention for a one seed. Assuming those losses are to the right teams. A second loss to Miami in Cameron Indoor would not be as devastating, for example, if the Blue Devils won out the rest of their games and beat Miami on the path to the ACC Tournament title.

A scenario where Duke could possibly still achieve a one seed with as many as two losses would be beating Miami in Cameron, losing to North Carolina or Virginia on the road (but not both), winning the rest of the games it should against Va Tech (at home and away) and BC (home), and then making it all the way to the ACC title game and losing to Miami in a close game. In that instance, I think Duke and Miami could both possibly get ones, despending, of course, on what other teams in the running do.

Those are just a couple paths to a one for Duke that could be on the table IMO.
Your opinion is not repsonxive to my post. I said if MIAMI wins out then duke will not be a # 1 seed. duke can secure a #1 seed but not with 2 more losses to Miami.
Feb 21, 2013 2:12pm
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Feb 21, 2013 2:15 PM
Prescott;1393720 wrote:Your opinion is not repsonxive to my post. I said if MIAMI wins out then duke will not be a # 1 seed. duke can secure a #1 seed but not with 2 more losses to Miami.
Ah. I see that now. This might not be obvious, but I am defensive. But yeah, I agree with that.
Feb 21, 2013 2:15pm
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Feb 21, 2013 2:39 PM
It's more of a prediction about the losses. Nobody will have under 5 once seeding is announced. The Zags at 2 will look even stronger.
Feb 21, 2013 2:39pm
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Feb 21, 2013 2:52 PM
Also, I never said or meant to imply that Gonzaga has a better resume or is better than Miami. I just think its crazy to say Miami is a 1 seed and Gonzaga has no business being one.
Feb 21, 2013 2:52pm
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Feb 21, 2013 4:36 PM
Totally agree.

I mean Gonzaga is rolling through the WCC. It's a bit down, but it might have 2 at-large teams and is generally a top 12 league. Santa Clara is pretty good and the Zags wiped the floor with them last evening.
Feb 21, 2013 4:36pm
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Feb 21, 2013 10:59 PM
Top 12 league? Not sure if that helps the cause. What Miami has done in the ACC is simply more impressive than what Gonzaga has done in its conference. I would absolutely love to see Gonzaga play 18 games each year in a top four conference.

Look, Gonzaga has a really good team and a lot of great talent, but I think the nation will once again see the true Mark Few-led Gonzaga we all know when it exits the tournament before the conclusion of the second weekend for the 14th straight year. Despite multiple (legitimate) NPOTY candidates and All-Americans and heaps of talent, Gonzaga has still yet to duplicate Dan Monson's trip to the Elite Eight in 1999, and having only reached the Sweet 16 two times since 2001.

History obviously isn't a true indicator of the success that this particular Gonzaga team will achieve, but I bet it's in the ballpark. We shall see.
Feb 21, 2013 10:59pm
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Feb 21, 2013 11:12 PM
reclegend22;1393968 wrote:Top 12 league? Not sure if that helps the cause. What Miami has done in the ACC is simply more impressive than what Gonzaga has done in its conference. I would absolutely love to see Gonzaga play 18 games each year in a top four conference.

Look, Gonzaga has a really good team and a lot of great talent, but I think the nation will once again see the true Mark Few-led Gonzaga we all know when it exits the tournament before the conclusion of the second weekend for the 14th straight year. Despite multiple (legitimate) NPOTY candidates and All-Americans and heaps of talent, Gonzaga has still yet to duplicate Dan Monson's trip to the Elite Eight in 1999, and having only reached the Sweet 16 two times since 2001.

History obviously isn't a true indicator of the success that this particular Gonzaga team will achieve, but I bet it's in the ballpark. We shall see.
What will we say when Miami losses to the 8/9 seed. Personally, I think its possible. They arent playing nearly as well recently.
Feb 21, 2013 11:12pm
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Feb 21, 2013 11:19 PM
Laley23;1393977 wrote:What will we say when Miami losses to the 8/9 seed. Personally, I think its possible. They arent playing nearly as well recently.
I will say I can't believe they won the first game. I personally don't think either Gonzaga or Miami will go very far in the NCAAs. But without question the Hurricanes' undefeated record in the ACC dwarfs anything Gonzaga has done in the West Coast.

Personally, I think part of Gonzaga's problem each year in the tournament and the futility that has followed them is playing such a weak conference schedule. That conference does them no favors come March after hiding in it for the previous two months heading into the NCAAs each year.
Feb 21, 2013 11:19pm
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Feb 22, 2013 7:41 AM
St. Mary's over BYU. There is still the WCC Tournament, and BYU still gets the Zags, but that was almost a play-in game.

Three good games tonight.

Butler/St. Louis
North Dakota State/Akron
Stephen F. Austin/Long Beach State

All of them could be NCAA bound, might be worth checking these games out.
Feb 22, 2013 7:41am
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Feb 22, 2013 10:37 AM
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Do you know what channel the OU-Belmont game will be on? Need to know if I need to plan to be at my friend's place for it (since I have a more basic Time Warner without ESPNU) or if I can see it at home (assuming I am home when it plays).
Feb 22, 2013 10:37am
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Feb 22, 2013 11:29 AM
^ ESPN2
Feb 22, 2013 11:29am
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Feb 22, 2013 12:06 PM
GOONx19;1394191 wrote:^ ESPN2
Ah and 10 p.m., which means I'll either be home or at a friend's by that time, so I will catch the game. EXCELLENT!
Feb 22, 2013 12:06pm
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Feb 22, 2013 9:58 PM
Monster win for St. Louis. They are really in the driver's seat for the A-10 with a sweep over Butler and win in their only match-up with VCU.

A dangerous team who has the pieces to actually be even better than they have been given credit for.
Feb 22, 2013 9:58pm