Archive Heisman trophy 2012

imex99

Posts: 4,927

Oct 8, 2012 3:34pm

Who's your leader so far and who do you think will win?

Geno Smith is the current leader but if Braxton continues, he'll get invited to NYC.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2012/10/08/heisman-trophy-survey-geno-smith-braxton-miller/1620569/

sleeper

Posts: 27,879

Oct 8, 2012 3:36pm

Carlos Hyde.

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vball10set

Posts: 24,795

Oct 8, 2012 4:17pm

Too early to tell, but at this point in the season, it's pretty hard to argue with the five listed here.

gorocks99

Posts: 10,760

Oct 8, 2012 4:23pm

It's Geno Smith's to lose, the numbers are insane right now from him and WVU is ranked way high. If they start to lose games his star will fade (how much depends on his performance in those losses), but there's just no way Smith isn't number one at this juncture.

jhay78

Posts: 1,917

Oct 8, 2012 4:23pm

It's Geno Smith's to lose right now. Would love to see Braxton there though.

FatHobbit

Posts: 8,651

Oct 8, 2012 4:31pm

Braxton Miller

2011
12 games
85/157 54% 1159 yards 13 tds and 4 ints.
159 rushing attempts for 715 yards and 7 tds

2012
6 games
83/135 61% 1060 yards 9 td and 3 ints
106 rushing attempts for 763 yards and 8 tds

Automatik

Posts: 14,632

Oct 8, 2012 4:33pm

I'm pulling for Geno to win it. I think he's on the verge of making himself a lot of money in the NFL....dude is legit.

I'll be happy with an invite for Miller. Just think...barring injury we have him for two more years. :thumbup:

FatHobbit

Posts: 8,651

Oct 8, 2012 4:38pm

Just for kicks

Denard Robinson
2012
6 games
62/115 53% 942 yards 7 tds and 8 ints
90 rushings attempts for 676 yards and 4 tds

2011
13 games
142/258 55% 2173 yards 20 tds and 15 ints
221 rushing attempts for 1176 yards and 16 tds

2010
12 games
182/291 62% 2570 yards 18 tds and 11 ints
256 rushing attempts for 1702 yards and 14 tds

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vball10set

Posts: 24,795

Oct 8, 2012 4:55pm

Automatik;1290527 wrote:I'm pulling for Geno to win it. I think he's on the verge of making himself a lot of money in the NFL....dude is legit.

Do you think his talent translates well to an NFL QB, or do you think he'd get drafted as an athlete?

Automatik

Posts: 14,632

Oct 8, 2012 5:04pm

vball10set;1290546 wrote:Do you think his talent translates well to an NFL QB, or do you think he'd get drafted as an athlete?

QB for sure. IMO I think he's got what it takes to make it in the NFL....mentally, physically, mechanics, etc.

I've watched almost all of WVU's game so far this season and he's just as good, or better than Barkley. I know he hasn't faced any defenses worth a damn, but on several occasions I've thought "wow, that was one hell of a throw." It seems like he can drop it in from anywhere on the field.

Nice read on the "Air Raid" offense and his mental preparation.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaaf--geno-smith-becomes-air-raid-s-greatest-disciple--ndash--and-college-football.html

Classyposter58

Posts: 6,321

Oct 8, 2012 5:06pm

IMO Lattimore will get there eventually. Wasn't it a few years ago they only invited 3 people?

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vball10set

Posts: 24,795

Oct 8, 2012 5:08pm

^^^Thanks, Automatik, 'cause I really haven't watched an entire WVU game so I really didn't have an opinion either way (other than his seeing his crazy stats). Sounds like I'll have to check one out soon.

sleeper

Posts: 27,879

Oct 8, 2012 5:30pm

Automatik;1290554 wrote:QB for sure. IMO I think he's got what it takes to make it in the NFL....mentally, physically, mechanics, etc.

I've watched almost all of WVU's game so far this season and he's just as good, or better than Barkley. I know he hasn't faced any defenses worth a damn, but on several occasions I've thought "wow, that was one hell of a throw." It seems like he can drop it in from anywhere on the field.

Nice read on the "Air Raid" offense and his mental preparation.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaaf--geno-smith-becomes-air-raid-s-greatest-disciple--ndash--and-college-football.html

Geno is a good player but his mechanics are terrible. I mean I don't know a lot about football but his release seems to be too slow for the NFL.

FatHobbit

Posts: 8,651

Oct 8, 2012 5:30pm

Classyposter58;1290558 wrote:Wasn't it a few years ago they only invited 3 people?

I think they invite people based on how many votes they get. So if fourth place isn't even close they don't get an invite.

Crimson streak

Posts: 9,002

Oct 8, 2012 5:30pm

sleeper;1290573 wrote:Geno is a good player but his mechanics are terrible. I mean I don't know a lot about football but his release seems to be too slow for the NFL.

Agreed that's why I think he's gonna be a bust

Automatik

Posts: 14,632

Oct 8, 2012 6:58pm

Terrible mechanics?

[video=youtube;OhGkRA4b32Q][/video]

While he doesn't have that crazy quick release, I think he'll be ok.

sleeper

Posts: 27,879

Oct 8, 2012 7:12pm

I didn't stutter. He has terrible mechanics.

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Tiernan

Posts: 13,021

Oct 8, 2012 7:31pm

I heard Jon Gruden talking about how he is ready for the NFL now. Lets see sleeper or "Chuckie" for an opinion on whether a QB can play in the NFL?

and I hate supporting Automatik on anything.

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vball10set

Posts: 24,795

Oct 8, 2012 7:41pm

If ever there was a year for a defensive player to win it, it's this year. I don't think Smith's going to keep up these video game stats, and OSU's post season ban status will hurt Miller, regardless of what people say. I think Te'o has as good a shot as anyone right now.

se-alum

Posts: 13,948

Oct 8, 2012 10:17pm

I think Smith's mechanics are fine. He can make every throw. I think his NFL success will hinge on the mental aspect.

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Sonofanump

Oct 9, 2012 12:22am

Best NCAA QB, yes. NFL ready, no. He has the arm, but the arm angle is typical for lofting throws against Big12 defenses. Should be an easy fix. He looks like a top 5, if not top 3 pick right now.

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cats gone wild

Posts: 2,651

Oct 9, 2012 12:37am

sleeper;1290573 wrote: I mean I don't know a lot about football

We all know that.

vball10set;1290648 wrote:If ever there was a year for a defensive player to win it, it's this year. I think Te'o has as good a shot as anyone right now.

A defensive player has no chance. TM7 was a human highlight reel last year and he couldnt crack the top 2.

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vball10set

Posts: 24,795

Oct 9, 2012 7:53am

cats gone wild;1290864 wrote:A defensive player has no chance. TM7 was a human highlight reel last year and he couldnt crack the top 2.

Whether you care to admit it or not, an ND defensive player has a helluva lot better chance of winning the Heisman than a player from LSU, especially when comparing Te'o and Mathieu...just sayin'

se-alum

Posts: 13,948

Oct 9, 2012 8:09am

vball10set;1290911 wrote:Whether you care to admit it or not, an ND defensive player has a helluva lot better chance of winning the Heisman than a player from LSU, especially when comparing Te'o and Mathieu...just sayin'

Yea, Mathieu's off the field issues were a guarantee he wouldn't sniff a Heisman.

Fly4Fun

Posts: 7,730

Oct 9, 2012 8:14am

vball10set;1290911 wrote:Whether you care to admit it or not, an ND defensive player has a helluva lot better chance of winning the Heisman than a player from LSU, especially when comparing Te'o and Mathieu...just sayin'

Based on what? Tradition... shouldn't factor into Heisman voting as you are voting for a player, not a school (but it probably does factor in a bit to be honest). Exposure? I'm pretty sure Mathieu had plenty of that as he was a phenomenon and everyone who pays attention to college football knew of him.

Quality of Character/Integrity? Based upon Mathieu's past and apparent lack of a bad one from Te'o, he does have a huge edge in this category.

Also, I love how quickly the Barkley campaign fell apart... putting up Billboards before the season even started. It's one thing for an athlete to do well on the field then the school/fans push his name late in the season. It's another to put up billboards before the season starts.