se-alum
Posts: 13,948
Nov 6, 2012 12:04pm
It is Klein's to lose. T'eo wouldn't be in consideration if he didn't play for ND(and I'm not an ND basher). I would take Manziel at this point over Miller.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Nov 6, 2012 12:14pm
sjmvsfscs08;1314010 wrote:Sleeper used the word shitty, I'm using it as "not great." i.e. not an All-American.
There are like 5 teams that had a qb that was an all America that won a NC. Every team that has won a nc in the bcs era has had extremely efficient qbs and can run the hell out of the ball.
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Nov 6, 2012 12:26pm
Manziel is a baller, one of my favorite players in all of CFB. I completely forgot about him. Is he even getting much talk regarding the Heisman?se-alum;1314012 wrote:It is Klein's to lose. T'eo wouldn't be in consideration if he didn't play for ND(and I'm not an ND basher). I would take Manziel at this point over Miller.
He has impressed me since week 1....kid plays with no fear. His time will come.
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Tiernan
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Nov 6, 2012 2:50pm
Sounds like Klein is going to play but this may hurt him if they bring him back too soon.
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sjmvsfscs08
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Nov 6, 2012 3:10pm
2001 MiamiLJ;1314023 wrote:There are like 5 teams that had a qb that was an all America that won a NC. Every team that has won a nc in the bcs era has had extremely efficient qbs and can run the hell out of the ball.
2004 USC
2005 Texas
2006 Florida
2008 Florida
2010 Auburn
...weren't those QBs All-Americans?
Automatik
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Nov 6, 2012 3:11pm
Chris Leak wasn't an AA.
Crimson streak
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Nov 6, 2012 3:18pm
Automatik;1314040 wrote:Manziel is a baller, one of my favorite players in all of CFB. I completely forgot about him. Is he even getting much talk regarding the Heisman?
He has impressed me since week 1....kid plays with no fear. His time will come.
I agree he's fun to watch. I can't wait to see him against bama
Laley23
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Nov 6, 2012 3:20pm
But Tebow was on the team, and, according to Sleeper, that counts.Automatik;1314172 wrote:Chris Leak wasn't an AA.
sleeper
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Nov 6, 2012 3:24pm
Talent wise no. Hype wise, yes. No wonder you are a Notre Dame fan.sjmvsfscs08;1314171 wrote:2001 Miami
2004 USC
2005 Texas
2006 Florida
2008 Florida
2010 Auburn
...weren't those QBs All-Americans?
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Nov 6, 2012 3:32pm
Trollololololololsleeper;1314183 wrote:Talent wise no. Hype wise, yes. No wonder you are a Notre Dame fan.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Nov 6, 2012 4:06pm
2001 Miami - Nosjmvsfscs08;1314171 wrote:2001 Miami
2004 USC
2005 Texas
2006 Florida
2008 Florida
2010 Auburn
...weren't those QBs All-Americans?
2004 USC - Yes
2005 Texas -Yes
2006 Florida-No
2008 Florida- Yes (CFN only that year)
2010 Auburn -Yes (Consensus)
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sjmvsfscs08
Posts: 2,963
Nov 6, 2012 10:10pm
Ken Dorsey was a fucking Heisman Trophy finalist in 2001.LJ;1314222 wrote:2001 Miami - No
2004 USC - Yes
2005 Texas -Yes
2006 Florida-No
2008 Florida- Yes (CFN only that year)
2010 Auburn -Yes (Consensus)
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Nov 6, 2012 10:15pm
sjmvsfscs08;1314606 wrote:Ken Dorsey was a fucking Heisman Trophy finalist in 2001.
Yet sexy Rexy, Crouch and Randle-El snapped up all the AA honors that year.
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Nov 6, 2012 10:18pm
True, but you said All-American...that he was not, which is actually kinda hard to believe.sjmvsfscs08;1314606 wrote:Ken Dorsey was a fucking Heisman Trophy finalist in 2001.
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sjmvsfscs08
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Nov 6, 2012 10:19pm
Oh fuck off
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Nov 6, 2012 10:21pm
Automatik;1314620 wrote:True, but you said All-American...that he was not, which is actually kinda hard to believe.
He doesnt really know what his actual argument is. The fact is every championship team has had an efficient qb, and a dynamic running game.
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Nov 6, 2012 10:26pm
I can't help if you don't know your shit. :laugh::laugh:sjmvsfscs08;1314625 wrote:Oh fuck off
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sjmvsfscs08
Posts: 2,963
Nov 6, 2012 10:46pm
The argument was with sleeper you twit. I have no disagreements with the "efficient QB + running game" model. Only an idiot would disagree with that.LJ;1314628 wrote:He doesnt really know what his actual argument is. The fact is every championship team has had an efficient qb, and a dynamic running game.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Nov 6, 2012 10:58pm
sjmvsfscs08;1314659 wrote:The argument was with sleeper you twit. I have no disagreements with the "efficient QB + running game" model. Only an idiot would disagree with that.
Except 2003 LSU is really the only team that had a great defense and shitty QB. Some of the teams you mentioned while trying to dispute that were just absolutely ignorant choices. Krenzel was the NC game MVP. McCarron is more than solid.
FatHobbit
Posts: 8,651
Nov 7, 2012 10:06am
And the leading rusher in the NC game. lolLJ;1314684 wrote:Krenzel was the NC game MVP.