Trueblue23
Posts: 7,463
Oct 16, 2012 4:41pm
Undefeated, yes. Top 10? Technically yes, but OSU is not a top 10 quality team this year.BigAppleBuckeye;1296661 wrote:If improvement of team is factored in here (which it may not in the minds of many voters), then Miller has a decent shot of winning. Smith is a stud, no argument here, and he would get my vote right now, period. That being said, his team CRUSHED Clemson in a BCS game last year, while Miller has almost single-handedly taken an under .500 Buckeye team and turned them into an undefeated, top 10 team.
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Oct 16, 2012 6:12pm
You know something, you're right, but what's crazy about college football this year is that other than Alabama and Oregon, who is???Trueblue23;1296762 wrote:Undefeated, yes. Top 10? Technically yes, but OSU is not a top 10 quality team this year.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Oct 16, 2012 8:07pm
Seems like we've had more years like that lately.vball10set;1296840 wrote:You know something, you're right, but what's crazy about college football this year is that other than Alabama and Oregon, who is???
Trueblue23
Posts: 7,463
Oct 16, 2012 11:07pm
vball10set;1296840 wrote:You know something, you're right, but what's crazy about college football this year is that other than Alabama and Oregon, who is???
I agree with both of these. CFB isn't as strong as it used to be.WebFire;1296901 wrote:Seems like we've had more years like that lately.
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0311sdp
Posts: 580
Oct 17, 2012 3:45am
That's because everyone wants to play right away and the great players are spread out over more teams. The only team right now who seems to be able to stock pile talent is Alabama.
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Nov 5, 2012 1:49pm
I figured I'd bump this.
My list as of right now.
Klein
Miller
Te'o
Barner
McCarron
I could see only 4 getting the invite.
My list as of right now.
Klein
Miller
Te'o
Barner
McCarron
I could see only 4 getting the invite.
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Nov 5, 2012 2:16pm
Klein
Miller
Te'o
Barner
Miller
Te'o
Barner
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Nov 5, 2012 2:50pm
Klein
Miller
Manziel
Barner
McCarron
Miller
Manziel
Barner
McCarron
End of Line
Posts: 6,867
Nov 5, 2012 2:53pm
Top 5:
Klein
Miller
Barner
Manziel
McCarron
Klein
Miller
Barner
Manziel
McCarron
j_crazy
Posts: 8,372
Nov 5, 2012 3:19pm
My top 5:
Manziel
Klein
Miller
Te'o (if they lose he's gone)
Barner
Manziel
Klein
Miller
Te'o (if they lose he's gone)
Barner
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Nov 5, 2012 3:30pm
Klein is going to win it. I don't know why anyone thinks Te'o even has a shot. A defensive player will never win the Heisman after Suh got shafted. It's the obligatory defensive player they pick so they can pretend it doesn't go to a QB or RB every year.
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Tiernan
Posts: 13,021
Nov 5, 2012 4:19pm
If Klein doesn't play this week Miller is the front runner.
Midstate01
Posts: 14,766
Nov 5, 2012 4:21pm
Tiernan;1313376 wrote:If Klein doesn't play this week Miller is the front runner.
Well technically miller doesn't play this week either.
Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Nov 5, 2012 4:23pm
sleeper;1313340 wrote:Klein is going to win it. I don't know why anyone thinks Te'o even has a shot. A defensive player will never win the Heisman after Suh got shafted. It's the obligatory defensive player they pick so they can pretend it doesn't go to a QB or RB every year.
Woodson won it in 97. But I agree I don't think we will ever see a defensive player win it again. Both Klein and te'o represent what the heisman is all about
Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Nov 5, 2012 4:23pm
Tiernan;1313376 wrote:If Klein doesn't play this week Miller is the front runner.
No he won't Klein would still win it
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Nov 5, 2012 4:24pm
Unless everyone else falls off completely I don't think Miller has a realistic shot anyway.
Like I said, I'll be happy with just an invite. If KSU wins out it's Klein's trophy.
Like I said, I'll be happy with just an invite. If KSU wins out it's Klein's trophy.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Nov 5, 2012 4:39pm
And what is that exactly? Te'o isn't deserving of the Heisman; he doesn't represent shit.Crimson streak;1313379 wrote:Woodson won it in 97. But I agree I don't think we will ever see a defensive player win it again. Both Klein and te'o represent what the heisman is all about
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Nov 5, 2012 4:39pm
Miller's only shot is to go undefeated and everyone else screw up. Not going to happen.
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Nov 5, 2012 5:06pm
Miller will get an invite this year, setting him up to win it next year.
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Nov 5, 2012 5:06pm
Back to back?vball10set;1313399 wrote:Miller will get an invite this year, setting him up to win it next year.
Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Nov 5, 2012 5:09pm
sleeper;1313389 wrote:And what is that exactly? Te'o isn't deserving of the Heisman; he doesn't represent ****.
He represents leadership not only on the field but off. He's an academic all American, and represents all that is good in college football. He's a great kid I'm going to be sad to see him leave nd
End of Line
Posts: 6,867
Nov 5, 2012 5:12pm
Woodson won it bc he would also play on offense and would return punts/kicks. I agree with Sleeper, Suh got shafted on it. Te'o won't win it and his numbers actually aren't that great either compared to other LB's.Crimson streak;1313379 wrote:Woodson won it in 97. But I agree I don't think we will ever see a defensive player win it again. Both Klein and te'o represent what the heisman is all about
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Nov 5, 2012 5:14pm
I have nothing against Te'o, he's a great player, but skill wise he's not worthy of the Heisman.
The only reason he's in the running is because he's ND's best player and they are back in the national spotlight. IMO he's not even as influential as the Honey Badger and look where he finished.
The only reason he's in the running is because he's ND's best player and they are back in the national spotlight. IMO he's not even as influential as the Honey Badger and look where he finished.
Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Nov 5, 2012 5:26pm
End of Line;1313406 wrote:Woodson won it bc he would also play on offense and would return punts/kicks. I agree with Sleeper, Suh got shafted on it. Te'o won't win it and his numbers actually aren't that great either compared to other LB's.
I'm not saying he should win it I'm just saying both Klein and te'o represent everything that the heisman stands for. There both great people. As for Woodson he is arguably the best college football player ever even if he is a douche
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Nov 5, 2012 6:24pm
Nah, he doesn't deserve it this year.Automatik;1313400 wrote:Back to back?