Gblock;1428183 wrote:Cavs had one good player and zero talent after that. maybe if highest payed player verajo didnt get hurt. thompson led the league in getting his shot blocked and your second highest player is a 50 year old luke walton

http://espn.go.com/nba/team/roster/_/name/cle/cleveland-cavaliers


jesus christ couldnt have guided them to the playoffs

This post is full of pure retardation.

SportsAndLady;1428213 wrote:This post is full of pure retardation.

do tell?

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324485004578425140894738014.html

[h=1]One NBA Player's Life of Constant Rejection[/h][h=2]Cleveland's Tristan Thompson Was on the Verge of Becoming the Most Blocked Man in History Before He Took Measures[/h]

NO.	NAME	POS	AGE	HT	WT	COLLEGE	2012-2013 SALARY
36	Omri Casspi	SF	24	6-9	225		$2,277,306
21	Wayne Ellington	SG	25	6-4	200	North Carolina	$2,083,042
33	Alonzo Gee	SF	25	6-6	219	Alabama	$3,500,000
1	Daniel Gibson	SG	27	6-2	200	Texas	$4,792,332
2	Kyrie Irving	PG	21	6-3	191	Duke	$5,375,760
5	Kevin Jones	PF	23	6-8	260	West Virginia	$390,027
14	Shaun Livingston	PG	27	6-7	175		$773,976
	C.J. Miles	SG	26	6-6	222		$2,225,000
20	Chris Quinn	PG	29	6-2	175	Notre Dame	$169,340
15	Marreese Speights	PF	25	6-10	255	Florida	$4,200,000
13	Tristan Thompson	PF	22	6-9	227	Texas	$3,894,240
17	Anderson Varejao	C	30	6-11	260		$8,368,182
3	Dion Waiters	SG	21	6-4	215	Syracuse	$3,726,600
4	Luke Walton	SF	33	6-8	235	Arizona	$6,091,363
40	Tyler Zeller	C	23	7-0	250	North Carolina	$1,563,120

Coach: Byron Scott if your best player is a rook your not going to the playoffs

Gblock;1428217 wrote:do tell?

Luke Walton our 2nd best player?

No talent outside kyrie?

TT leading the nba in blocked shots?

Jesus Christ being real?

SportsAndLady;1428221 wrote:Luke Walton our 2nd best player?

No talent outside kyrie?

TT leading the nba in blocked shots?

Jesus Christ being real?

second highest paid player

tt leading the league in getting his own shot blocked

see above links

Gblock;1428183 wrote:Cavs had one good player and zero talent after that. maybe if highest payed player verajo didnt get hurt. thompson led the league in getting his shot blocked and your second highest player is a 50 year old luke walton

http://espn.go.com/nba/team/roster/_/name/cle/cleveland-cavaliers


jesus christ couldnt have guided them to the playoffs

Zero improvement on defense. The team was rated last his first season and then 26th the last two in defensive efficiency. I get if guys can't score outside of Kyrie but you think that he'd coach 'em up defensively knowing about our offensive liability. I linked a Jason Lloyd article stating the management wants a tough defensive team and Byron only talked of vague concepts of what he wanted his defense to be. Never really said how he was going to get guys there. That difference in opinion with management was most likely his undoing.

He also seemed to check out in games we got up big. Never tried to stop other teams from making runs and would take timeouts home with him. The team playing lazy down the stretch was a reflection of the effort the coach was giving IMO.

I'll add to my points that I think the team would have stayed with him had there been some improvement. It's no secret we've been tanking for 3 years to build up our talent in the draft. But I think the overall lack of improvement in areas management considers key was enough to think we needed to go in a different direction. Not sure how I feel about it, I just want to see who we get to replace him first before I decide whether this was a good decision or not.

mucalum49;1428224 wrote:Zero improvement on defense. The team was rated last his first season and then 26th the last two in defensive efficiency. I get if guys can't score outside of Kyrie but you think that he'd coach 'em up defensively knowing about our offensive liability. I linked a Jason Lloyd article stating the management wants a tough defensive team and Byron only talked of vague concepts of what he wanted his defense to be. Never really said how he was going to get guys there. That difference in opinion with management was most likely his undoing.

He also seemed to check out in games we got up big. Never tried to stop other teams from making runs and would take timeouts home with him. The team playing lazy down the stretch was a reflection of the effort the coach was giving IMO.

this makes way more sense than talking about playoffs...playoffs?

SportsAndLady;1428213 wrote:This post is full of pure retardation.

Gblock does have a history of not knowing wtf he is tlaking about when it comes to Cleveland sports.

like_that;1428228 wrote:Gblock does have a history of not knowing wtf he is tlaking about when it comes to Cleveland sports.

which is why i provided links

like_that;1428228 wrote:Gblock does have a history of not knowing wtf he is tlaking about when it comes to Cleveland sports.

Yeah he just wanted to troll that ONE time. After a while, you just full on become a troll. And they.never last on Cleveland threads.

Hell I remember the one time I trolled an Indians thread calling the series thread (instead of a game by game thread) lame...I got ran the fuck outta there. Lol

Gblock;1428230 wrote:which is why i provided links

Yes, you provided a link showing salaries (which we got luke thru a salary dump trade) and another link showing TT was making improvements with his shots getting blocked... lolfail

SportsAndLady;1428231 wrote:Yeah he just wanted to troll that ONE time. After a while, you just full on become a troll. And they.never last on Cleveland threads.

Hell I remember the one time I trolled an Indians thread calling the series thread (instead of a game by game thread) lame...I got ran the fuck outta there. Lol

lol I remember that. Reps for admitting to that.

im a sixers fan, we suck worse than the cavs we didnt have to fire our coach he quit. but im realistic about what we have. how is it trolling to say varajo is your highest payed, first or second best player and he didnt play? luke walton is a stiff and he is your second highest payed player? TT almost set the record in the history of the nba for getting his shot blocked?? those are facts..i dont see how that equals playoffs. thats not trolling. i was being serious. brandon bass was a good player they should have kept and maybe had a chance.

SportsAndLady;1428231 wrote:Yeah he just wanted to troll that ONE time. After a while, you just full on become a troll. And they.never last on Cleveland threads.

Hell I remember the one time I trolled an Indians thread calling the series thread (instead of a game by game thread) lame...I got ran the fuck outta there. Lol

Should have been bant, considering the new rules. Or wait, should I bant now for harassing the new pointless rule that wont stick and will be forgotten about in 2 weeks like every other one of Justin's crusades?

like_that;1428232 wrote:Yes, you provided a link showing salaries (which we got luke thru a salary dump trade) and another link showing TT was making improvements with his shots getting blocked... lolfail

well go to the link and look at some other teams who are in the playoffs and look at the salaries they play to good players. most have 2-3 guys making 10-15 mill or more. all the teams that are out of the playoffs have similar payrolls to cleveland

Gblock;1428238 wrote:well go to the link and look at some other teams who are in the playoffs and look at the salaries they play to good players. most have 2-3 guys making 10-15 mill or more. all the teams that are out of the playoffs have similar payrolls to cleveland

ok

Gblock;1428238 wrote:well go to the link and look at some other teams who are in the playoffs and look at the salaries they play to good players. most have 2-3 guys making 10-15 mill or more. all the teams that are out of the playoffs have similar payrolls to cleveland

Yes gblock, when teams go thru massive rebuilding, they typically take on a few shitty ass contracts to get some picks in return. Does that make sense, do I need to spell it out further for you, or are you just trying to be jordo 2.0.?

like_that;1428245 wrote:Yes gblock, when teams go thru massive rebuilding, they typically take on a few shitty ass contracts to get some picks in return. Does that make sense, do I need to spell it out further for you, or are you just trying to be jordo 2.0.

Cue the "I was bored" failsponse.

like_that;1428245 wrote:Yes gblock, when teams go thru massive rebuilding, they typically take on a few ****ty ass contracts to get some picks in return. Does that make sense, do I need to spell it out further for you, or are you just trying to be jordo 2.0.

exactly. so how could someone say we need to fire our coach because we are a playoff team. which one is it? rebuilding team or playoff team? my only point was this is an obvious rebuilding year so how the heck do you fire the coach cause your not winning? you basically are making my point

Gblock;1428250 wrote:exactly. so how could someone say we need to fire our coach because we are a playoff team. which one is it? rebuilding team or playoff team? my only point was this is an obvious rebuilding year so how the heck do you fire the coach cause your not winning? you basically are making my point

alright gblock, I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt here despite your history on Cle threads.

The main reason we fired Scott was due to the defense. We've had terrible def all year long, including blowing huge 20/30+ pt leads. Gilbert put him on notice back in Jan when he said we will be a playoff team once again when we're a defensive minded team. Scott didn't deliver. That plus him pushing the players too hard in practice and continued lack of in game flow management. Example he never calls a TO when we need to one, instead lets his team get down even more while the other team is raining 3s on us.

i will agree that he didnt help himself letting the heat come back from down 26 in the 3rd couldve been the day they decided

Commander of Awesome;1428253 wrote:alright gblock, I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt here despite your history on Cle threads.

The main reason we fired Scott was due to the defense. We've had terrible def all year long, including blowing huge 20/30+ pt leads. Gilbert put him on notice back in Jan when he said we will be a playoff team once again when we're a defensive minded team. Scott didn't deliver. That plus him pushing the players too hard in practice and continued lack of in game flow management. Example he never calls a TO when we need to one, instead lets his team get down even more while the other team is raining 3s on us.

Exactly, there are other factors than simply "well it was a rebuilding year." The fact that he lost the team midway through the season is not a good sign at all. You think those guys were going to be motivated to work hard all off season to play for a coach they don't want to play for anymore?

Gblock;1428235 wrote:im a sixers fan, we suck worse than the cavs we didnt have to fire our coach he quit. but im realistic about what we have. how is it trolling to say varajo is your highest payed, first or second best player and he didnt play? luke walton is a stiff and he is your second highest payed player? TT almost set the record in the history of the nba for getting his shot blocked?? those are facts..i dont see how that equals playoffs. thats not trolling. i was being serious. brandon bass was a good player they should have kept and maybe had a chance.

Why do you keep bringing up Brandon Bass in a Cavs thread? He's never played for the Cavs or your Sixers so I'm not sure how it's relevant.

mucalum49;1428269 wrote:Why do you keep bringing up Brandon Bass in a Cavs thread? He's never played for the Cavs or your Sixers so I'm not sure how it's relevant.

crap my bad i meant jj hixon...

Gblock;1428277 wrote:crap my bad i meant jj hixon...

Lol jj hickson has the basketball iq of a potato

Hickson. Varejao.