He's only going to raise taxes on the middle class if he wants to actually have a revenue neutral tax plan. They have not walked it back. They stood by it. Romney told Forbes "they made an assumption that I would close the home mortgage interest deduction for middle class families." They stood by it and said that he'd have no choice but to close popular deductions like the HMID if it wanted to be revenue neutral without fantasy growth.gut;1286718 wrote:Tax policy center has long since walked that back. They admitted they made assumptions about likely cuts they had no basis for. It's fair criticism to ask MR what he is going to eliminate, but it's a bald-faced lie to say "he's going to raise taxes on the middle class". That's one of 3 alternatives, and the left is pumping it as fact when it obviously isn't.
Color me shocked. :laugh:BoatShoes;1286730 wrote:Romney has no plan to cut education, to not cut the military, to not raise taxes on the middle class, to cut rates for everybody and to cut the deficit. I think he's winning the debate I think but he's going to get hammered in the press.
Make up your own facts just like Obama. Or, you could do your own math on what losing the mortgage interest deduction vs. a 20% tax cut does. Perhaps that is asking too much of you.BoatShoes;1286728 wrote:He's only going to raise taxes on the middle class if he wants to actually have a revenue neutral tax plan. .
Obama could drop his pants and give America a helicopter and the press would still hammer Romney.BoatShoes;1286730 wrote:Romney has no plan to cut education, to not cut the military, to not raise taxes on the middle class, to cut rates for everybody and to cut the deficit. I think he's winning the debate I think but he's going to get hammered in the press.
The defense budget has to go down. He is an idiot calling for it to stay the same or go up.BoatShoes;1286730 wrote:Romney has no plan to cut education, to not cut the military, to not raise taxes on the middle class, to cut rates for everybody and to cut the deficit. I think he's winning the debate I think but he's going to get hammered in the press.
Sure, smoked. But the real issues weren't touched.ccrunner609;1286742 wrote:I doubt this. WHat we saw was a president that just got smoked by the govenor of Mass.
Pretty much, because Obama got smoked it's a worthless debate. Romney was pretty damn specific and knowledgeable.ccrunner609;1286742 wrote:I doubt this. WHat we saw was a president that just got smoked by the govenor of Mass.
Pretty much sums it up. "Fluff and broad statements" aside, Romney won round 1.ccrunner609;1286742 wrote:I doubt this. WHat we saw was a president that just got smoked by the govenor of Mass.
Blah blah blah. I know it makes you feel good to talk down to me but the fact of the matter is that losing the mortgage interest deduction along with other tax expenditures that middle class people use (i.e. exclusion for employer provided health insurance) are going to amount to tax raises and have to be used to offset the reduction of rates for it to be revenue neutral. It is u who does not want to accept this inconvenient fact. It's not just the HMID vs. the 20% rate reduction for revenue neutrality.gut;1286734 wrote:Make up your own facts just like Obama. Or, you could do your own math on what losing the mortgage interest deduction vs. a 20% tax cut does. Perhaps that is asking too much of you.
Romney won, but I agree the format sucks.ccrunner609;1286758 wrote:MSNBC starts off complaining about the "format"............that means they know who got smacked.
I think the format was fine, but essentially having no moderator was the main problem. Needless to say that didn't cost Obama by any means, he just got beat.ptown_trojans_1;1286764 wrote:Romney won, but I agree the format sucks.
What needs is a moderator that pushes back. One that really asks specific questions and quickly follow-ups and asks more specific questions.
I'm all for a back and forth, but a tough moderator would certainly help.
This was odd, because in 2008 that thing was all over the damn place.sleeper;1286723 wrote:Also if anyone is watching this on CNN, I feel that "colorado undecided voter" tracker never goes below the midpoint.
Again, saying Romney is going to raise taxes on the middle class is a lie. End of debate. Maybe that's why I talk down to you, because you either don't understand the issues or you lack integrity in your arguments.BoatShoes;1286759 wrote: along with other tax expenditures that middle class people use (i.e. exclusion for employer provided health insurance)
I don't know. Will be interesting. Some say debates don't move the needle much. And when partisan voters get most of their impression from their favored news stations the needle will, understandably, not move.BoatShoes;1286762 wrote:Good performance by Romney. I imagine the race should tighten substantially.
Yeah. I mean think about this site. These debates will not change the mind of a single person. Depends on how many true undecideds there were.gut;1286774 wrote:I don't know. Will be interesting. Some say debates don't move the needle much. And when partisan voters get most of their impression from their favored news stations the needle will, understandably, not move.
Well, he may if he doesn't get Congress to extend the Bush tax cuts and reform the tax codes.gut;1286771 wrote:Again, saying Romney is going to raise taxes on the middle class is a lie. End of debate. Maybe that's why I talk down to you, because you either don't understand the issues or you lack integrity in your arguments.
