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BR1986FB

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Oct 3, 2012 12:29 PM
Fly4Fun;1286216 wrote:than start advocating that people should just take justice into their own hands and deliver punishment as they see fit.
Sounds like someones 'take" on how they should moderate on this site. :rolleyes:
Oct 3, 2012 12:29pm
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Oct 3, 2012 12:33 PM
BR1986FB;1286218 wrote:Sounds like someones 'take" on how they should moderate on this site. :rolleyes:
Comparing moderating a message board to a justice system... yes, the two are so comparable in certain aspects like meaningfullness and severity of consequences.

Besides, we generally do have a system for dealing with problems. We have the rules laid out, we have a warning stage and a ramping up of punishment for continual misbehavior. And we almost never act unilaterally but seek the input from other moderators. Just because you don't see the discussion that happens prior to most action doesn't mean it doesn't take place. In fact for the most part we try to be forgiving and we generally don't look to ban people. But at some point our hands are forced so the place doesn't devolve even further.
Oct 3, 2012 12:33pm
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Oct 3, 2012 12:41 PM
Fly4Fun;1286216 wrote:Agreed that it is a flawed system. But that's because humans are fundamentally flawed people (not perfect). But I'd rather put faith in a system developed over time with rules and processes to help ensure that the correct and fair result is reached more often then not than start advocating that people should just take justice into their own hands and deliver punishment as they see fit.
I would agree in general, certainly. I would also, under certain circumstances, be more than happy to participate in some jury nullification.
Oct 3, 2012 12:41pm
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Oct 3, 2012 12:52 PM
BR1986FB;1286218 wrote:Sounds like someones 'take" on how they should moderate on this site. :rolleyes:
LMAO! Reps.
Oct 3, 2012 12:52pm
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Oct 3, 2012 1:48 PM
Steel Valley Football;1286061 wrote:Fair enough. It's still a white trash thing to say and to applaud the notion of, however.
White trash? Only white trash people threaten violence?
Oct 3, 2012 1:48pm
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Oct 3, 2012 1:55 PM
hasbeen;1286285 wrote:White trash? Only white trash people threaten violence?

Huh? Where did I say that?
Oct 3, 2012 1:55pm
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Oct 3, 2012 1:58 PM
Fly4Fun;1286200 wrote:Despite what is shown here, it is possible to disagree about something without resulting to vague insults and ultimately some juvenile name calling.

But as far as the topic goes.

Yes, the father is a complete ass. But I've always hated the JJ community's response and now the OC community's response of justice outside the law.

This.

Fly4fun gets it if no one else does.
Oct 3, 2012 1:58pm
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Oct 3, 2012 2:08 PM
Steel Valley Football;1286291 wrote:
Fly4fun gets it if no one else does.
I'd bet $5 this is the first time this sentence has been posted on the site.
Oct 3, 2012 2:08pm
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Oct 3, 2012 2:08 PM
Steel Valley Football;1286291 wrote:This.

Fly4fun gets it if no one else does.
The fact that you agree with him should cause F4F to reexamine his stance.
Oct 3, 2012 2:08pm
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Oct 3, 2012 2:16 PM
fan_from_texas;1286046 wrote:Dude is an ahole. I'm sure it will catch up to him someday.
justincredible;1286059 wrote:Yeah. If you believe in karma this dude is in for something awful.
I think it's already catching him and his fat pig of a wife.
Oct 3, 2012 2:16pm
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Oct 3, 2012 2:35 PM
FatHobbit;1286298 wrote:The fact that you agree with him should cause F4F to reexamine his stance.

I posted first so he agrees with me.
Oct 3, 2012 2:35pm
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Oct 3, 2012 2:42 PM
Steel Valley Football;1286061 wrote:Fair enough. It's still a white trash thing to say and to applaud the notion of, however.
Steel Valley Football;1286288 wrote:Huh? Where did I say that?
It's a "white trash thing to say".

If a black gang banger said it, would it still be a white trash thing to say?
Oct 3, 2012 2:42pm
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Oct 3, 2012 2:47 PM
hasbeen;1286335 wrote:It's a "white trash thing to say".

If a black gang banger said it, would it still be a white trash thing to say?

It would be an unintelligent thing to say, which is what I think of first when I think white trash; thus my comment. Also when I think gang banger, yes.
Oct 3, 2012 2:47pm
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Oct 3, 2012 3:35 PM
Fly4Fun;1286216 wrote:Agreed that it is a flawed system. But that's because humans are fundamentally flawed people (not perfect). But I'd rather put faith in a system developed over time with rules and processes to help ensure that the correct and fair result is reached more often then not than start advocating that people should just take justice into their own hands and deliver punishment as they see fit.
Law? Justice? What exactly would you charge them with? Making fun of someone is not illegal. The dad needs a good old ass whooping.
Oct 3, 2012 3:35pm
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Oct 3, 2012 3:37 PM
WebFire;1286368 wrote:Making fun of someone is not illegal.
Beyond a certain point, I'm not sure that's accurate.
Oct 3, 2012 3:37pm
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Oct 3, 2012 3:38 PM
Fly4Fun;1286200 wrote: Yes, the father is a complete ass. But I've always hated the JJ community's response and now the OC community's response of justice outside the law.
As far as I know this guy isn't breaking any law. Simply an 'adult' making fun of a handicapped little girl, nothing can stop that. So I'd have no problem with somebody kicking his ass for picking on her.
Oct 3, 2012 3:38pm
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Oct 3, 2012 4:01 PM
BORIStheCrusher;1286374 wrote:As far as I know this guy isn't breaking any law. Simply an 'adult' making fun of a handicapped little girl, nothing can stop that. So I'd have no problem with somebody kicking his ass for picking on her.

Would you have a problem with that somebody going to jail if they did or should he be allowed to mete out justice as he sees fit?
Oct 3, 2012 4:01pm
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Oct 3, 2012 4:05 PM
Steel Valley Football;1286392 wrote:Would you have a problem with that somebody going to jail if they did or should he be allowed to mete out justice as he sees fit?
Not to answer a question with a question, but I will. Would you have a problem with a jury acquitting him even though the facts of the case say he's guilty?
Oct 3, 2012 4:05pm
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Oct 3, 2012 4:10 PM
What is this world coming to....seriously how pathetic do you have to be to do something like this.
Oct 3, 2012 4:10pm
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Oct 3, 2012 4:25 PM
queencitybuckeye;1286398 wrote:Not to answer a question with a question, but I will. Would you have a problem with a jury acquitting him even though the facts of the case say he's guilty?

Yes, I would.
Oct 3, 2012 4:25pm
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Oct 3, 2012 4:49 PM
One way to "get around" the assault charge would be if you saw this d-bag doing this to the girl, knowing that he is an ignorant white trash redneck, you could call him "homophobic names" and if that doesn't work tell him his son looks like one too...he will for sure take a swing at you then beat him senseless.

Self defense at that point...

On a serious note...yes, the guy is a complete d-bag and I wouldn't shed a tear if someone kicked the snot out of him.
Oct 3, 2012 4:49pm
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Oct 3, 2012 5:14 PM
FatHobbit;1286298 wrote:The fact that you agree with him should cause F4F to reexamine his stance.
Eh, I try to not judge an opinion based upon the person delivering it. I think everyone can offer something to this world. And in this instance I side with SVF. There have been times before that I have agreed with Sleeper as well. It's part of keeping an open mind.
WebFire;1286368 wrote:Law? Justice? What exactly would you charge them with? Making fun of someone is not illegal. The dad needs a good old ass whooping.
BORIStheCrusher;1286374 wrote:As far as I know this guy isn't breaking any law. Simply an 'adult' making fun of a handicapped little girl, nothing can stop that. So I'd have no problem with somebody kicking his ass for picking on her.
Which helps to make my point. If something isn't illegal then it's obviously not considered a huge issue in our society. Now we're venturing into personal morals. Do you think it would be fine to beat someone up just because you disagree with their personal sense of morality? To me that seems like a terrible standard.

The reason for a law and justice system is to try to have a sort of objective moral standard that all citizens are expected to live by.

Yes, the guys actions are terrible. But as a couple of you astutely pointed out, there isn't an obvious law against this. This whole situation sounds like something that the families need to take care of between themselves or maybe with the help of a 3rd neutral party.
Oct 3, 2012 5:14pm
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Oct 3, 2012 5:21 PM
Fly4Fun;1286457 wrote: The reason for a law and justice system is to try to have a sort of objective moral standard that all citizens are expected to live by.
I'd modify this slightly to include the word "floor". I would hope that what is legal and what we consider moral behavior are not the same. I'd add that sometimes these objective standards could be found to be stupid by thinking humans and that violating some of them would not be in any way immoral, even while being illegal.
Oct 3, 2012 5:21pm
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Oct 3, 2012 5:25 PM
queencitybuckeye;1286465 wrote:I'd modify this slightly to include the word "floor". I would hope that what is legal and what we consider moral behavior are not the same. I'd add that sometimes these objective standards could be found to be stupid by thinking humans and that violating some of them would not be in any way immoral, even while being illegal.
Yes, the law and justice system is a floor. But the government also incentives behavior beyond the floor which would be considered preferable through other legislation. An obvious example would be tax deductions for donations to charitable organizations.

And yes, not all rules are necessarily moral. For example, there is nothing immoral about going 10MPH over the speed limit on a straight road in the middle of no where with nothing in sight in either direction. Yes, it is illegal but not immoral.
Oct 3, 2012 5:25pm