robj55
Posts: 9,511
Jun 27, 2013 11:30pm
Chicago could have probably taken NY to 6 or 7 games even as injury riddled as they were, because they are an elite defensive team.Mulva;1464723 wrote:Until God decides Rose is 110% then I would remove Chicago from that list. I think Brooklyn definitely moves ahead of them with this trade, though.
Hb31187
Posts: 8,534
Jun 27, 2013 11:32pm
robj55;1464721 wrote:I think Brooklyn, Miami, Chicago and Indy are all better than NY right now.
Brooklyn has no chemistry, a rookie coach. And Chicago...what exactly is their identity when Rose comes back. They're a jump shooting team just like NYK with much much much fewer weapons. Indy I'd agree with
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Jun 27, 2013 11:34pm
Chicago is an elite defensive team that is tough as hell on the boards and are extremely well coached. Brooklyn will be a work in progress but I think they will certainly be more formidable than NY. That is unless Amare magically gets healthy and he and Melo can co-exist.Hb31187;1464727 wrote:Brooklyn has no chemistry, a rookie coach. And Chicago...what exactly is their identity when Rose comes back. They're a jump shooting team just like NYK with much much much fewer weapons. Indy I'd agree with
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Jun 27, 2013 11:36pm
The East is Miami, Indiana, Brooklyn and Chicago (you have to put them there just because who the hell else is there?).
IMO, Philly, New York, Atlanta and Boston all get worse. I think it's legit that Washington and Cleveland could get to those last 2 spots...
IMO, Philly, New York, Atlanta and Boston all get worse. I think it's legit that Washington and Cleveland could get to those last 2 spots...
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Jun 27, 2013 11:37pm
I like Milwaukee's draft. 2 huge risks.
Nevermind. They traded Ledo to Dallas.
Nevermind. They traded Ledo to Dallas.
Hb31187
Posts: 8,534
Jun 27, 2013 11:39pm
Everyone said Brooklyn would be elite this year after a few off season moves and that idea crashed and burned. Now they pick up some vets who have the gas light on in their tanks and acquire a rookie coach.
Chicago plays good D yes, but they're also offensively challenged, especially when DRose comes back and their offense is basically "Everyone watch Rose dribble". And its not like when he does inevitably penetrate that he has anyone worth mentioning to dish too aside from maybe Deng from midrange. I agree with Amare needing to Gtfo though
Chicago plays good D yes, but they're also offensively challenged, especially when DRose comes back and their offense is basically "Everyone watch Rose dribble". And its not like when he does inevitably penetrate that he has anyone worth mentioning to dish too aside from maybe Deng from midrange. I agree with Amare needing to Gtfo though
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Jun 27, 2013 11:41pm
The leadership that Kidd, Pierce and KG bring will be immeasurable. Granted they probably only have 2 years left in them.Hb31187;1464741 wrote:Everyone said Brooklyn would be elite this year after a few off season moves and that idea crashed and burned. Now they pick up some vets who have the gas light on in their tanks and acquire a rookie coach.
Chicago plays good D yes, but they're also offensively challenged, especially when DRose comes back and their offense is basically "Everyone watch Rose dribble". And its not like when he does inevitably penetrate that he has anyone worth mentioning to dish too aside from maybe Deng from midrange. I agree with Amare needing to Gtfo though
Lopez
KG
Pierce
JJohnson
Dwill
Hell of a lineup
wildcats20
Posts: 27,794
Jun 27, 2013 11:42pm
Fuck this.
Ryan Kelly to LA.
Ryan Kelly to LA.
gorocks99
Posts: 10,760
Jun 27, 2013 11:42pm
looooolwildcats20;1464749 wrote:Fuck this.
Ryan Kelly to LA.
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Jun 27, 2013 11:43pm
Why not DT? He will be able to score double figures off the bench.wildcats20;1464749 wrote:**** this.
Ryan Kelly to LA.
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Jun 27, 2013 11:44pm
"He's now the third best player on their team" lol
Terry_Tate
Posts: 7,606
Jun 27, 2013 11:45pm
Amazed DT hasn't been drafted. Just shocks me.
Hb31187
Posts: 8,534
Jun 27, 2013 11:45pm
KG at this point in his career is no better than Wallace was for them last year. Lopez is vastly overrated IMO and like Simmons or Bilas said tonight plays like the paint has an electric fence around it. Pierce should help them the most. but aside from that slight boost from pierce...its really about the same team as last year
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Jun 27, 2013 11:48pm
Pierce is an upgrade over Wallace and KG is a BIG upgrade even at this stage over Reggie Evans or Humphries. KG changes life for them on the defensive end. Lopez is one of the top 5 bigs in the game, not the greatest rebounder but still a top 5 big man.Hb31187;1464759 wrote:KG at this point in his career is no better than Wallace was for them last year. Lopez is vastly overrated IMO and like Simmons or Bilas said tonight plays like the paint has an electric fence around it. Pierce should help them the most. but aside from that slight boost from pierce...its really about the same team as last year
robj55
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Jun 27, 2013 11:49pm
Thomas may go undrafted, this is nuts.
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Jun 27, 2013 11:52pm
He's a tweener that doesn't play D and isn't a great athlete. It would be surprising if he went undrafted entirely, but I think people who thought he could go in the 1st round were the crazy ones.robj55;1464764 wrote:Thomas may go undrafted, this is nuts.
CJ Leslie and Lorenzo Brown both still on the board from NC State. Kabongo and Adonis Thomas, too.
wildcats20
Posts: 27,794
Jun 27, 2013 11:53pm
He's not going 52.
gorocks99
Posts: 10,760
Jun 27, 2013 11:54pm
Or 53 (Boston trades up to get Iverson)
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Jun 27, 2013 11:54pm
The biggest thing is when Nets get to the playoffs...they wont be untested. This team, in the same round, beats Chicago in 5 games this past year. KG and Pierce bring a toughness that is not there in everyone. Williams and Lopez are their offensive weapons, and KG and PP bring the experience and unwillingness to lose.
wildcats20
Posts: 27,794
Jun 27, 2013 11:54pm
Colton Iverson at 53 to Indy
Yeah, Boston sorry.
Yeah, Boston sorry.
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Jun 27, 2013 11:54pm
He's a first round talent imo, he has a translatable skill, scoring the basketball. If you can get a guy that can score double figures and can rebound then I don't see why you don't take him. The NBA is full of tweeners now, the first pick in the draft is a tweener.Mulva;1464769 wrote:He's a tweener that doesn't play D and isn't a great athlete. It would be surprising if he went undrafted entirely, but I think people who thought he could go in the 1st round were the crazy ones.
CJ Leslie and Lorenzo Brown both still on the board from NC State. Kabongo and Adonis Thomas, too.
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Jun 27, 2013 11:55pm
Talk about a guy who improved, watching him at Minnesota you would have never thought he would get drafted.wildcats20;1464773 wrote:Colton Iverson at 53 to Indy
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Jun 27, 2013 11:55pm
This is all true.Mulva;1464769 wrote:He's a tweener that doesn't play D and isn't a great athlete. It would be surprising if he went undrafted entirely, but I think people who thought he could go in the 1st round were the crazy ones.
CJ Leslie and Lorenzo Brown both still on the board from NC State. Kabongo and Adonis Thomas, too.
But he is a top scorer in the draft. After the first half of the first round I would easily take a flyer on him. Especially for a team who doesnt need him (ie, a playoff team).
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Jun 27, 2013 11:56pm
Plus KG and PP don't have to play huge minutes and be the focal point so their load will be much lighter. This is still DWill's team.Laley23;1464772 wrote:The biggest thing is when Nets get to the playoffs...they wont be untested. This team, in the same round, beats Chicago in 5 games this past year. KG and Pierce bring a toughness that is not there in everyone. Williams and Lopez are their offensive weapons, and KG and PP bring the experience and unwillingness to lose.
wildcats20
Posts: 27,794
Jun 27, 2013 11:57pm
Kazemi at 54