lhslep134;1453989 wrote:If you consider Game 3 forever, then yeah, he took forever :rolleyes:

I think Vogel is top 5 as well. I have Vogel, Pops, Spo, Doc, Thibs (no order after Pops #1).

I think the only real adjustment he made early was deciding that Battier had no shot versus David West. After that, he just took too long for stuff that everyone else could see, imo.

He stuck with guys who couldnt shoot too long. He didnt double the post till game 7. He went with LeBron 1-1 versus George/Stephenson, but not in the post, where Indy had to double and then Miami could swing the ball. He went 1-1 with them on the outside and Indy could play straight up and clog the paint.

I just dont think he does anything without LeBron. You need superstars to win, and I get that. But LeBron is a whole other level of star. Spo had one of the top 3 players in the game for 2 years and was a 3rd place finisher and 1st round exit. He then inherited a superteam and they got him to the final where Carlise ran circles around him after a quick start. Again, without LeBron, does he even come close to being mentioned here? And with LeBron, how many other coaches are going for a 3-peat right now and not having a conversation among many on if Indy/healthy Bulls/Spurs take them down?

Ironman92;1453990 wrote:..he's good but I have Pop at the top and him 6th or 7th, but just not on Pop's level.

Read the link I posted, and google Eric Spoelstra X's and O's. He's one of the best in the game, maybe 2nd behind Pop.

Like actually read it Ironman, don't disregard it. And since I deleted my post you quoted, here's the link again for everyone else.

http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2013/03/29/spoelstras-share-of-miamis-success-easier-to-see-than-quantify/

Rodman being Rodman. :laugh:
http://espn.go.com/chicago/nba/story/_/id/9353089/dennis-rodman-says-lebron-james-average-played-90s

lhslep134;1454036 wrote:Read the link I posted, and google Eric Spoelstra X's and O's. He's one of the best in the game, maybe 2nd behind Pop.

Like actually read it Ironman, don't disregard it. And since I deleted my post you quoted, here's the link again for everyone else.

http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2013/03/29/spoelstras-share-of-miamis-success-easier-to-see-than-quantify/

It's a good article highlighting reasons why to give him more credit.....but it's all part of coaching. He's doing a good job and he has improved and appears to be putting in the time and effort.....but my stance remains that he needs to win it all this year to move up IMO. I would imagine that blogger for NBA.com is talented enough to do a similar blog heralding any NBA coach like he did Spol.

Spo may be the 2nd best coach in the league? LOL

Automatik;1454041 wrote:Rodman being Rodman. :laugh:
http://espn.go.com/chicago/nba/story/_/id/9353089/dennis-rodman-says-lebron-james-average-played-90s

To do what Michael has done ... what he did was more charisma, there was more articulating and stuff like that.

Does he even know the definition of the words he's using?

Rotinaj;1454058 wrote:Spo may be the 2nd best coach in the league? LOL

In X's and O's yes, but that's only part of coaching.

Have to take your basketball posts with a grain of salt due to the whole, you know, Harden thing.

Ironman92;1454057 wrote:but my stance remains that he needs to win it all this year to move up IMO

Fine by me, I just wanted to show you where I was coming from, so we didn't have the typical OC argument "you're an idiot" "no you're an idiot".

lhslep134;1454084 wrote:In X's and O's yes, but that's only part of coaching.

Have to take your basketball posts with a grain of salt due to the whole, you know, Harden thing.

Not my fault hes top 26 and was terrible in the finals last year and the 1st round this year.

Rotinaj;1454098 wrote:Not my fault hes top 26 and was terrible in the finals last year and the 1st round this year.

Actually you were fine with the Harden thing. You said you'd reserve judgment til after the season. I guess I was (wrongly) including you in the group with the people who said I was crazy.

Rotinaj;1454098 wrote:Not my fault hes top 26 and was terrible in the finals last year and the 1st round this year.

26,7,5 in the playoffs this years. Wouldn't quite say terrible

39% shooting. I guess he was a little better than terrible.

lhslep134;1454088 wrote:Fine by me, I just wanted to show you where I was coming from, so we didn't have the typical OC argument "you're an idiot" "no you're an idiot".

FWIW I think Harden is top 20 and have most all of the season.....but enjoyed the silly arguments surrounding it the first few days and then the "Top 26" posts that eventually followed.

Ironman92;1454118 wrote:FWIW I think Harden is top 20 and have most all of the season.....but enjoyed the silly arguments surrounding it the first few days and then the "Top 26" posts that eventually followed.

Yeah I mean I only thought that back then because of the eye test + advanced metrics. It's hard to have arguments with people (trust me, this is not just limited to the OC) who refuse to acknowledge the power of advanced metrics.

Back to the Heat/Spurs though....

Does anyone feel confident the Heat can come back and win?

lhslep134;1454120 wrote: It's hard to have arguments with people (trust me, this is not just limited to the OC) who refuse to acknowledge the power of advanced metrics.

Same group of ppl think Mt Dew is the greatest thing ever if you catch my drift.

lhslep134;1454120 wrote:Yeah I mean I only thought that back then because of the eye test + advanced metrics. It's hard to have arguments with people (trust me, this is not just limited to the OC) who refuse to acknowledge the power of advanced metrics.

Back to the Heat/Spurs though....

Does anyone feel confident the Heat can come back and win?

Yes

Are we really arguing about Spoel being a top 5 NBA coach lol?


I mean plug in damn near any competent coach with LeBron in his prime and this supporting cast and they will produce

Hb31187;1454584 wrote:Are we really arguing about Spoel being a top 5 NBA coach lol?


I mean plug in damn near any competent coach with LeBron in his prime and this supporting cast and they will produce

Great insight chief. I'm willing to bet you haven't noticed the adjustment Spo has made with Bosh so far.

Why did they have this much gap between game 1 and game 2?

lhslep134;1454805 wrote:Great insight chief. I'm willing to bet you haven't noticed the adjustment Spo has made with Bosh so far.

Please fill me in oh wise resident NBA guru. Spill the knowledge you learned reading an article or watchin a pregame show that you will now play off as if you've been taking notes.


Spoel is an average coach with perhaps the best passing superstar there has ever been running the show. I mean shit he made Mike Brown look like a great coach.

He's not above Magic yet.

Ironman92;1454816 wrote:Why did they have this much gap between game 1 and game 2?

To milk advertising as much as possible lol

Ironman92;1454826 wrote:He's not above Magic yet.

In terms of ability and what he brings to the court he long surpassed Magic.

Overall career, no not yet

Spo adjusted to SA playing completely off Bosh at the 3 point line by bringing Bosh to around 18 feet and having the plays that run through him to do so from there, leading to more open perimeter space.

Sorry HB that god forbid someone knows more about something than you, because I didn't read that anywhere, I saw it with my own eyes. Clearly went over your head.

Manny Harris, Jamario Moon, Christian Eyenga.

Wings the Cavs kept over Danny Green.