One of the best feelings in the world is to have position on a loose player who bets the whole way after you've flopped the nuts. I definitely slow play at that point provided they amount they bet is significant enough.

sleeper;1275417 wrote:One of the best feelings in the world is to have position on a loose player who bets the whole way after you've flopped the nuts. I definitely slow play at that point provided they amount they bet is significant enough.

One of my best wins was busting a hyper-aggressive internet player. I had folded several hands, and folded several weak hands I'd normally pay to see a flop because he was raising every pre-flop bet to $40-$55 (typically it's $15-$25 to see a flop). And he would always bet continuation with another $80 or more after the flop.

I had A-9 off and led out $15. He raised me $40. Heads-up and I called, figuring to be ahead.
Flop comes A-J-9. I led out $80. Predictably he asks how much I have left behind, and I say about $600. He winces a little and says "I'll put you all in". Insta-call.

He had A-7. I show my two pair and he throws his cards down in disgust and storms off from the table.

i saw i guy call a gut shot the other night for 600 after the flop. other guy had aces flop was 8 high

sleeper;1275413 wrote:I wasn't saying an infinitesimal chance of getting the nuts; I was saying getting the nuts and having someone with a good enough hand to pay you off.

My style doesn't come down to a few hands. You play the percentages the whole night; play in position, play tight starting hands, etc. When you can start exerting control over the table with aggressively betting when you are getting the best odds and folding when you are not, you will win over the long haul. I find that people who slow play too much either a) don't get paid off or b)end up getting screwed by a runner runner double gutshot straight. To me it's not worth it. I do slow play every once in a while, but only after I have control over the table.

That's just not been my experience in Vegas. I would say most 2/5 tables I've played have 2-3 good players, 2-3 suckers, and 2-3 people playing ultra tight trying to get lucky on a big hand. The style you are talking about just doesn't work. You will bleed out, giving away several small pots overbetting a marginal hand into a bigger pot. You entire night is going to be won or lost on 2-3 pots you have several hundred in, and so all the other hands are really about setting-up a big bluff or big trap. Winning small pots is just powder to see a lot of flops and chase some cheap draws, or to finance a failed trap.

The style you're preaching is what I refer to as picking-up pennies in front of the train. Maybe you walk away with a few bucks, but most such players get run over.

gut;1275444 wrote:One of my best wins was busting a hyper-aggressive internet player. I had folded several hands, and folded several weak hands I'd normally pay to see a flop because he was raising every pre-flop bet to $40-$55 (typically it's $15-$25 to see a flop). And he would always bet continuation with another $80 or more after the flop.

I had A-9 off and led out $15. He raised me $40. Heads-up and I called, figuring to be ahead.
Flop comes A-J-9. I led out $80. Predictably he asks how much I have left behind, and I say about $600. He winces a little and says "I'll put you all in". Insta-call.

He had A-7. I show my two pair and he throws his cards down in disgust and storms off from the table.

Well played.

O-Trap;1274221 wrote:Odds are the smallest that you can win with 2-7 off-suited. None have a 0% chance, though.

Very true, but depending on position and the blinds, people will play them. You get rid of people playing that hand by raising pre flop, most of the time.