Bigdogg;1315835 wrote:Gut, Your response is typical and about what I expected. resorting to name calling to prove your point. You are the poster child of your party. Good luck in the next election:laugh:

LMAO....From the brainwashed sheeple referring to "Faux News"

QuakerOats;1315814 wrote:Germany is supporting the EU, and maybe you better check again, because that is coming to an end soon, and if you think Greece and Spain burning is bad, wait till they all fall.

Your shallowness continues to amaze, but that is precisely why you are an obama liker.

maybe you better look and see how the countries listed economies have been doing, most of the ones i listed are doing as well or better than the us.

Automatik;1315837 wrote:I'll use Denmark as an example. I lived there for a time and experienced their ways first hand. Homogenous in terms wealth, income, etc. Increasingly diverse? I'm pretty sure Denmark is over 90% Danes.

They don't have the massive gap between the rich and poor. The entire nation has bought into their system. Their population is roughly 6 million, the US 300. Our class gap is immense and the "scum" class increasing daily.

gosh lets see. Once you start talking about millions the population size is not important. Gosh what produces the massive gap between the rich and the poor, a laissez faire economy that does not provide for the mass of its citizens. That is an argument for a national health care system. "the scum class' label, just another example of the attitudes that will keep the republicans a diminishing minority party.

You do realize the growing wealth gap is a global phenomenon? Including the great socialist countries of Europe. And China, wow, now there's a "communal" model for redistribution.

isadore;1315913 wrote:gosh lets see. Once you start talking about millions the population size is not important. Gosh what produces the massive gap between the rich and the poor, a laissez faire economy that does not provide for the mass of its citizens. That is an argument for a national health care system. "the scum class' label, just another example of the attitudes that will keep the republicans a diminishing minority party.

Yeah....6 million and 300 million are pretty much the same? Because "we're talking about millions." :laugh:

Gosh! Stop assuming. I lean to the left. I'm just being realistic.

The "scum class" refers to the people who pop out kids yearly when they have no means to support themselves let alone their offspring. Do you think this happens in Nordic countries at the same rate as here? Hell no.

Automatik;1315921 wrote:Yeah....6 million and 300 million are pretty much the same? Because "we're talking about millions." :laugh:

Gosh! Stop assuming. I lean to the left. I'm just being realistic.

The "scum class" refers to the people who pop out kids yearly when they have no means to support themselves let alone their offspring. Do you think this happens in Nordic countries at the same rate as here? Hell no.

Gosh you lean to the left, lol. That is why you oppose a comprehensive healthcare system for all Americans. And your argument because we have a stratified society with a maldistribution of wealth, with 320 million people. Now according to you if they were all “Nordic’ they would act responsibly as opposed to those people you label as “scum.” Nordic superior and a less class of scum.
I have heard that kind of talk somewhere else. Where oh where.
Here is an interesting statistic about births out of wedlock, check out those responsible nordic
Births out of wedlock per 100
Iceland 66
Sweden 55
Norway 54
Denmark 46
United States 40
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legitimacy_(law)
　

isadore;1315954 wrote:Gosh you lean to the left, lol. That is why you oppose a comprehensive healthcare system for all Americans. And your argument because we have a stratified society with a maldistribution of wealth, with 320 million people. Now according to you if they were all “Nordic’ they would act responsibly as opposed to those people you label as “scum.” Nordic superior and a less class of scum.
I have heard that kind of talk somewhere else. Where oh where.
Here is an interesting statistic about births out of wedlock, check out those responsible nordic
Births out of wedlock per 100
Iceland 66
Sweden 55
Norway 54
Denmark 46
United States 40
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legitimacy_(law)
　

Are you implying that having a birth out of wedlock isn't responsible?

isadore;1315954 wrote:Gosh you lean to the left, lol. That is why you oppose a comprehensive healthcare system for all Americans. And your argument because we have a stratified society with a maldistribution of wealth, with 320 million people. Now according to you if they were all “Nordic’ they would act responsibly as opposed to those people you label as “scum.” Nordic superior and a less class of scum.
I have heard that kind of talk somewhere else. Where oh where.
Here is an interesting statistic about births out of wedlock, check out those responsible nordic
Births out of wedlock per 100
Iceland 66
Sweden 55
Norway 54
Denmark 46
United States 40
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legitimacy_(law)
　

You're still assuming. I'm actually for a comprehensive healthcare system. My entire point is, you can't compare the Nordic system and the US and say "sure let's just model after them." You can introduce factors of it, but the entire system? Not a chance in hell.

Out of wedlock births have nothing to do with my previous post. I'm talking about the the lower class that carelessly impregnates each other with no means to provide adequate support to their offspring.

Automatik;1315967 wrote:You're still assuming. I'm actually for a comprehensive healthcare system. My entire point is, you can't compare the Nordic system and the US and say "sure let's just model after them." You can introduce factors of it, but the entire system? Not a chance in hell.

But it might be an applicable model for some states. Oh wait...

Automatik;1315967 wrote:You're still assuming. I'm actually for a comprehensive healthcare system. My entire point is, you can't compare the Nordic system and the US and say "sure let's just model after them." You can introduce factors of it, but the entire system? Not a chance in hell.

Out of wedlock births have nothing to do with my previous post. I'm talking about the the lower class that carelessly impregnates each other with no means to provide adequate support to their offspring.

yeh we sure would not want to introduce a system into our country that would improve longevity and cut the infant mortality rate. gosh the "scum" class might grow. better they die and decrease the excess population so nordics could stay a significant portion of our population. I am sure glad Obama won and this thinking is on the decline.

isadore;1315989 wrote:yeh we sure would not want to introduce a system into our country that would improve longevity and cut the infant mortality rate. gosh the "scum" class might grow. better they die and decrease the excess population so nordics could stay a significant portion of our population. I am sure glad Obama won and this thinking is on the decline.

Now I see why no one takes you seriously. :laugh:

You have missed my point.....still.

Automatik;1315993 wrote:Now I see why no one takes you seriously. :laugh:

You have missed my point.....still.

if someone expresses opinions like yours, it is no wonder after being caught you try to avoid the reperscussions.
1. You label a portion of the united states population as "scum", unworthy.
2. You claim that nordics are superior to that, that these aryans would not act irresponsibly as the inferior scum class would.
3. You reject quality health care for all Americans because some of us are extremely poor.
wow.

isadore;1316002 wrote:if someone expresses opinions like yours, it is no wonder after being caught you try to avoid the reperscussions.
1. You label a portion of the united states population as "scum", unworthy.
2. You claim that nordics are superior to that, that these aryans would not act irresponsibly as the inferior scum class would.
3. You reject quality health care for all Americans because some of us are extremely poor.
wow.

It appears you have trouble with basic reading comprehension, but it's a slow day so I'll give this a go.

1. Unworthy? No. Irresponsible. I'm a responsible person. I have issue with my tax dollars going to to support someone and their offspring when they do not have the common sense to not reproduce over and over again with no means to support themselves and their children.

2. Please show me this claim. I sure as hell didn't see any Nordic families living off of the government with 4 kids, with one on the way, in government provided housing. So what is the reason for this? Responsibility? Common sense? There are a lot of contributing factors. I'd go with with education being #1.

3. I said I was for a comprehensive healthcare system, but how to introduce it? I'll admit, I have no idea. All I know is our current system is in need of reform.

So you're completely wrong on all 3 points. Congrats.

For the record, I think the Nordic Model is fantastic. Denmark is a well oiled, efficient machine, but to think their system would work here is asinine. People already view Obama as a communist. Even the notion of this working in the US would cause most to LOL.

It appears you don't really know much about their system in general. Read up on it and get back to me. I'd like to hear your thoughts on how to adopt it, specifically healthcare and education. Also, their income tax was around 48% when I was living there. That number alone is enough to make the typical American's jaw drop. :laugh:

isadore;1315989 wrote:yeh we sure would not want to introduce a system into our country that would improve longevity and cut the infant mortality rate.

"cut the infant mortality rate" .......... funny, coming from the side that has a preference for the murder of the unborn innocent.


Get the [EMAIL="fu@k"]fu@k[/EMAIL] out of here.

Automatik;1316025 wrote:It appears you have trouble with basic reading comprehension, but it's a slow day so I'll give this a go.

1. Unworthy? No. Irresponsible. I'm a responsible person. I have issue with my tax dollars going to to support someone and their offspring when they do not have the common sense to not reproduce over and over again with no means to support themselves and their children.

2. Please show me this claim. I sure as hell didn't see any Nordic families living off of the government with 4 kids, with one on the way, in government provided housing. So what is the reason for this? Responsibility? Common sense? There are a lot of contributing factors. I'd go with with education being #1.

3. I said I was for a comprehensive healthcare system, but how to introduce it? I'll admit, I have no idea. All I know is our current system is in need of reform.

So you're completely wrong on all 3 points. Congrats.

For the record, I think the Nordic Model is fantastic. Denmark is a well oiled, efficient machine, but to think their system would work here is asinine. People already view Obama as a communist. Even the notion of this working in the US would cause most to LOL.

It appears you don't really know much about their system in general. Read up on it and get back to me. I'd like to hear your thoughts on how to adopt it, specifically healthcare and education. Also, their income tax was around 48% when I was living there. That number alone is enough to make the typical American's jaw drop. :laugh:

Gosh a ruddies
1. Words have meanings. Scum has a meaning when applied to people. “
.a low, vile, or worthless person or group of people.” You used in this way. Then when called on it, tried dishonestly to change the definition.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/scum
2. Are you kidding they provide healthcare, housing, income maintenance even day care for unemployed single parents
http://www.childpolicyintl.org/countries/denmark.html
Nordics are not more deserving than the “scum “class in the United States.
3. Model our system after one of the European or Canadian programs that have given their countries longer life spans and lower infant mortality.
Hey I like the good old days in the US when the income tax on the upper groups was 70-90% .

QuakerOats;1316031 wrote:"cut the infant mortality rate" .......... funny, coming from the side that has a preference for the murder of the unborn innocent.


Get the fu@k out of here.

so vulgar but so expected. one of the worshippers of the fetus. gosh it was great to see akin, murdock and ryan, the rape lobby, go down the tubes.

isadore;1316052 wrote:Gosh a ruddies
1. Words have meanings. Scum has a meaning when applied to people. “
.a low, vile, or worthless person or group of people.” You used in this way. Then when called on it, tried dishonestly to change the definition.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/scum
2. Are you kidding they provide healthcare, housing, income maintenance even day care for unemployed single parents
http://www.childpolicyintl.org/countries/denmark.html
Nordics are not more deserving than the “scum “class in the United States.
3. Model our system after one of the European or Canadian programs that have given their countries longer life spans and lower infant mortality.
Hey I like the good old days in the US when the income tax on the upper groups was 70-90% .

So you're ok with our tax dollars supporting people who take advantage of the system, while continuing to pop out children they cannot afford? It's a complex issue, but I truly believe the root of the problem is education.

I was quite aware of the Danish government providing for the unemployed and even for other instances. A few for my friends were attending college, they got a solid allowance due to them being enrolled in classes. Do people take advantage of the system there? Absolutely. Does it compare to here? I highly doubt it.

The bottom line is, in Denmark the overwhelming majority has bought into and supports their system. Could you see something like that happening here? I don't, not in my lifetime.

Automatik;1316063 wrote:So you're ok with our tax dollars supporting people who take advantage of the system, while continuing to pop out children they cannot afford? It's a complex issue, but I truly believe the root of the problem is education.

I was quite aware of the Danish government providing for the unemployed and even for other instances. A few for my friends were attending college, they got a solid allowance due to them being enrolled in classes. Do people take advantage of the system there? Absolutely. Does it compare to here? I highly doubt it.

The bottom line is, in Denmark the overwhelming majority has bought into and supports their system. Could you see something like that happening here? I don't, not in my lifetime.

you would know more about this one thing than me, but dont they have government supported post secondary education in denmark. I wish America made that commitment to its young people. one possible way to alleviate your feared scum class. some would take that opportunity and..
as opposed to many on here I wish our government provided a more complete list of heath services to our citizens, including comprehensive family planning not tied to some relgious fanatics prejudices. maybe that could help

isadore;1316073 wrote:you would know more about this one thing than me, but dont they have government supported post secondary education in denmark.

Yes, including trade schools, which they put a lot of effort into. You obviously have to apply and test into post secondary institutions, but if you're not cut out for it you have a lot of options.

QuakerOats;1315785 wrote:BINGO

QuakerOats;1315789 wrote:Quit trying to sugarcoat it; just say it: the takers won; the producers lost.

QuakerOats;1316031 wrote:"cut the infant mortality rate" .......... funny, coming from the side that has a preference for the murder of the unborn innocent.


Get the fu@k out of here.

Back on topic. When are you going to hold up your end of our bet?

Automatik;1316103 wrote:Yes, including trade schools, which they put a lot of effort into. You obviously have to apply and test into post secondary institutions, but if you're not cut out for it you have a lot of options.

I wish we thought enough of our young people to offer them similar options.