1 yr to prepare for Ga Tech and Ga Tech does 1 thing and 1 thing only and they trail 10-7 in the 4th.

Va Tech misses a 38 yarder with 1127 to go.

Va Tech scored on a long pass.

Td Va Tech 14-10 7 to go

I don't hate va tech, I just think they're easily the most overrated team every year.

Ga Tech converts a 4th an forever and they punch it in with 44secs left. 17-14 and Va Tech continues to be overrated and suck lol

Midstate01;1260922 wrote:I don't hate va tech, I just think they're easily the most overrated team every year.

Them and the entire ACC. FSU included.
The ACC is a joke, and would be the worst conference if not for the Big East.

I work with a ton of VT alums, and they talk a ton of smack this offseason. I would love for GT to pull this off.

Back to back horrible play calls. Two yard outs to a TE that can't get out of bounds

Va Tech drivin to the 27 for a tying fg...

VT will get a chance to tie

James Madison would have been up 24

42 yarder

Tied it up 17's

Drilled it

In OT, gotta like VT. GT's offense is not made for OT.

Lol wut

Great game, fun to watch. Spielman & McDonough make a good pair. Go Hokies.

ptown_trojans_1;1260929 wrote:Them and the entire ACC. FSU included.
The ACC is a joke, and would be the worst conference if not for the Big East.

I work with a ton of VT alums, and they talk a ton of smack this offseason. I would love for GT to pull this off.

Look at the numbers, the ACC is worse than the Big East... Even the new Big East next year.

GT=ugly uniforms and ugly pass.

The ACC is 2-13 in bcs games

Va tech is 1-5

I remember how the ACC was supposed to turn into a power conference when VT and Miami announced they were making the move.

Lucky bastages

Hard to defend the ACC in football given our recent history, but I will make a small case.

First, since we discredit ACC football because of lack in championships, can we say the same thing about the Big Ten in regards to basketball and their lack of championships?

Last ACC title in Football FSU in 2000
Last Big Ten basketball title 2000 MSU

Also, I would love to see the records of ACC vs. Big Ten since expansion of the ACC. Willing to bet the record against the Big Ten Conference is pretty good.

Going in to last year here is what the matchup looked like since expansion of the ACC in 2005.

[LEFT]
Even though the ACC has not lived up to the hype of the super conference that it was supposed to have been after it raided the best teams from the Big East, let's give the ACC a fair trial and break down the conference match ups to see how they have done against the rest of the BCS conferences since it's 12 team expansion in 2005 till the present with the regular season and bowl games included:

Records
ACC vs Big12 = 11-10
ACC vs BigTen = 6-6
ACC vs Big East = 26-23
ACC vs Pac10 = 3-8
ACC vs SEC = 20-33

Conference winning percentage
ACC vs Big12: 88-75 vs 78-88 or 0.540% vs 0.470%
ACC vs BigTen: 50-49 vs 53-42 or 0.505% vs 0.558%
ACC vs Big East: 198-169 vs 188-142 or 0.539% vs 0.570%
ACC vs Pac10: 37-52 vs 68-31 or 0.416% vs 0.687%
ACC vs SEC: 243-191 vs 238-198 or 0.560% vs 0.546%[/LEFT]

For the record not a fan of the Hokies either. Has anyone done less with more than Frank Beamer? Great guy, but his teams never can put it all together.

That being said, Go Duke...beat Stanford.

swamisez;1261857 wrote:Hard to defend the ACC in football given our recent history, but I will make a small case.

First, since we discredit ACC football because of lack in championships, can we say the same thing about the Big Ten in regards to basketball and their lack of championships?

Last ACC title in Football FSU in 2000
Last Big Ten basketball title 2000 MSU

Also, I would love to see the records of ACC vs. Big Ten since expansion of the ACC. Willing to bet the record against the Big Ten Conference is pretty good.

Going in to last year here is what the matchup looked like since expansion of the ACC in 2005.


For the record not a fan of the Hokies either. Has anyone done less with more than Frank Beamer? Great guy, but his teams never can put it all together.

That being said, Go Duke...beat Stanford.

Your first argument regarding basketball is terrible. What does basketball have to do with football? Nothing. But that aside, even the argument itself fails to mirror the situation. No one is saying the ACC needs to lose it's status because of it's lack of National Championships. It has more to do with their performance in BCS games which are generally the important ones. No one cares about the lower tier bowls.

An apt comparison to basketball in this regard would be to judge a conference by how many Elite 8 teams they have or even better how many final four teams. As a final four teams roughly equals the amount of BCS winners.

Let's use your 2000 date as a comparison.

2000 - Michigan State, Florida, Wisconsin, UNC (2 B1G; 1 ACC)
2001 - Duke, Arizona, Maryland, Michigan State (1 B1G; 2 ACC)
2002 - Maryland, Indiana, Kansas, Oklahoma (1 B1G; 1 ACC)
2003 - Syracuse, Kansas, Texas, Marquette (none for either)
2004 - UConn, Ga. Tech, Duke, Okla. St. (2 ACC)
2005 - UNC, Illinois, Michigan State, Louisville (2 B1G; 1 ACC)
2006 - Florida, UCLA, George Mason, LSU (neither)
2007 - Florida, Ohio State, UCLA, Georgetown (1 B1G)
2008 - Kansas, Memphis, UNC, UCLA (1 ACC)
2009 - UNC, Michigan State, Villanova, Connecticut (1 B1G; 1 ACC)
2010 - Duke, Butler, WVU, Michigan State (1 B1G; 1 ACC)
2011 - Connecticut, Butler, Kentucky, VCU (none for either)
2012 - Kentucky, Kansas, Ohio State, Louisville (1 B1G)

So that leaves 10 B1G final four teams and 10 ACC teams. Seems pretty comparable.

And then your second set of statistics skirts the issue as well. It looks at all bowl games. The discussion isn't about all the bowl games. The argument for the ACC losing it's auto-bid is more about their pretty terrible performance in BCS bowl games which is what the automatic bid is about.

Edit: Although I do give you props if your "football" team is actually Duke as opposed to some people who like to root for OSU in football (or another traditional power) then root for Duke in basketball and even troll fans of their football school.

Like I said, 2-11 is a hard position to argue, I tried.

The main thing that distinguishes the Big Ten from ACC in my opinion is the recruiting base and size of schools. Some argue that has nothing to do with it, but living in the Carolinas I see the number of players produced and just how small the states are population wise compared to the Big Ten schools and there is absolutely a discrepancy.

In NC our best players choose from local schools such as State, Wake, Carolina, Duke, ECU. In Ohio the local schools who are in major conferences is.. Ohio State. The same thing in South Carolina with USC and Clemson cavorting for talent. Virginia as well with VaTech and UVA. When you throw in the fact the states a little smaller it makes the recruiting sample tougher. I would love to see ACC schools branch out and get more talent (Syracuse) should be far better than they are given how much recruiting they can do in Western NY and PA. BC no real football base to look at. Miami and FSU need to be the flag bearers and they have disappointed. They were expected to be the Duke and Carolina of the football side but obviously that hasn't happened.

Of course this is cyclical and Miami has too much program resolve to fold it in and FSU can be a winner again with the right coach (sorry Jimbo I am not a believer). Until then, well I will just have to sit and take it.

Also, what is the BCS bowl record of the Big Ten minus Ohio State?
Illinois in 2000 sugar bowl comes to mind, Wisconsin in Rose Bowls, Penn State in the Orange in 2000 and 2008?
Don't have immediate access to those statistics.