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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Aug 9, 2012 11:13pm
If the NCAA didn't punish the programs, teams could simply break the rules until caught, then fire any staff that participated, and there would be no punishment for cheating. Is that what you are wanting?
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Aug 9, 2012 11:23pm
^^^of course not. But penalties that are severe and linger over several years do not seem fair, warranted or productive on new administrations innocent of the crimes nor on the community in general. Moreover, I just want the NCAA to be what the NCAA is supposed to be.
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isadore
Posts: 7,762
Aug 10, 2012 7:46am
you mean the board of trustees who are still there, gosh with members who were put there by paterno.HitsRus;1243671 wrote:^^^of course not. But penalties that are severe and linger over several years do not seem fair, warranted or productive on new administrations innocent of the crimes nor on the community in general. Moreover, I just want the NCAA to be what the NCAA is supposed to be.
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isadore
Posts: 7,762
Aug 10, 2012 7:55am
HitsRus wrote:2) it cannot be proven that disclosing that a former coach was a (suspected at the time)child molester would have necessarily caused recruits to abandon PSU.now that is downright disingenuous, Sandusky was not some GA working with the team. beside paterno, jerry sandusky was the face of penn state football. he played the major role in making PSU "linebacker u" His arrest and the coverage would have definitely put a hit on recruiting.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Aug 10, 2012 10:06am
So you only dislike it if the penalties are severe? Otherwise you don't mind the innocent being punished?HitsRus;1243671 wrote:^^^of course not. But penalties that are severe and linger over several years do not seem fair, warranted or productive on new administrations innocent of the crimes nor on the community in general. Moreover, I just want the NCAA to be what the NCAA is supposed to be.
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Aug 10, 2012 1:53pm
Why are most of your posts leading questions????So you only dislike it if the penalties are severe? Otherwise you don't mind the innocent being punished?
I think the information you require to ascertain my viewpoint is in post #53.
As he retired in 1999, I think it is more disingenuous to suggest he was the face of PSU football the past dozen or so years.now that is downright disingenuous, Sandusky was not some GA working with the team. beside paterno, jerry sandusky was the face of penn state football.
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isadore
Posts: 7,762
Aug 10, 2012 2:18pm
as psu continued it relationship with him, allowing him use of their faciluties and paterno raising money for his second mile program for procuring young boys. i am sure that would have really helped recruiting.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Aug 10, 2012 3:09pm
Because I am asking a question.HitsRus;1244086 wrote:Why are most of your posts leading questions????
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Aug 10, 2012 3:10pm
It doesn't. That just leads back to my post #75.HitsRus;1244086 wrote: I think the information you require to ascertain my viewpoint is in post #53.
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Aug 10, 2012 4:57pm
Because I am asking a question
You are asking loaded and leading questions. I indulged you once. Not again. Everything you need to know about my opinion has been posted on this thread.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Aug 10, 2012 7:25pm
Loaded? They were pretty straight forward. So much for your claim about being able to have a discussion.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Aug 11, 2012 10:23pm
I hope Penn State wins its lawsuit against the NCAA. No way we should be punishing a school for some employee raping a few boys. What's next? A kid scrapes his knee at Kentucky's campus and the NCAA levies a $100 million fine BECAUSE CHILDREN.
The NCAA should be shut down.
The NCAA should be shut down.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Aug 11, 2012 10:50pm
Punishment wasn't for the crime.sleeper;1245031 wrote:I hope Penn State wins its lawsuit against the NCAA. No way we should be punishing a school for some employee raping a few boys. What's next? A kid scrapes his knee at Kentucky's campus and the NCAA levies a $100 million fine BECAUSE CHILDREN.
The NCAA should be shut down.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Aug 11, 2012 10:54pm
Right. Hey doesn't the NCAA deal with athletics? What the shit does an administration covering up rape have to do with competition? The NCAA has overstepped their bounds on this one and because children are involved everyone just turns a blind eye to this injustice. It's been twisted that if you are against the abusive overzealous sanctions then you support the raping of children. The media is a joke and so is the ability of the people to be hoodwinked so easily.WebFire;1245056 wrote:Punishment wasn't for the crime.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Aug 11, 2012 10:56pm
It's been gone over several times already here at the OC.sleeper;1245060 wrote:Right. Hey doesn't the NCAA deal with athletics? What the shit does an administration covering up rape have to do with competition? The NCAA has overstepped their bounds on this one and because children are involved everyone just turns a blind eye to this injustice. It's been twisted that if you are against the abusive overzealous sanctions then you support the raping of children. The media is a joke and so is the ability of the people to be hoodwinked so easily.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Aug 11, 2012 11:13pm
Yeah because we need an athletic association to enforce criminal activity. It's too bad we don't have a justice department or a court system to levy penalties. :rolleyes:WebFire;1245061 wrote:It's been gone over several times already here at the OC.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Aug 11, 2012 11:15pm
Yawn.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Aug 11, 2012 11:17pm
Typical Webfire. Cowers away when a real challenge shows up on his front door step. No wonder others have implied that you are a woman.WebFire;1245073 wrote:Yawn.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Aug 11, 2012 11:58pm
Yawn because we (well not you I guess) have hashed this out over and over. Go back and read.sleeper;1245075 wrote:Typical Webfire. Cowers away when a real challenge shows up on his front door step. No wonder others have implied that you are a woman.
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sportchampps
Posts: 7,361
Aug 12, 2012 10:29am
Smoking weed is a criminal offensive it doesn't give an athlete any competitive advantage but the NCAA punishes people for that. Wheres the outrage when that happens.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Aug 12, 2012 11:15am
Exactly. The NCAA is a joke.sportchampps;1245162 wrote:Smoking weed is a criminal offensive it doesn't give an athlete any competitive advantage but the NCAA punishes people for that. Wheres the outrage when that happens.
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Footwedge
Posts: 9,265
Aug 12, 2012 6:13pm
Um...no. Hits is none of the things that you have listed. Apparently you never read the poli boards.Big Gain;1243001 wrote:Your posts have shown that you are a big time whiner that abhors anyone of authority. Hates any person, company or organization that has money. Undoubtedly a card carrying communist.
I am not in agreement with Hits' position on this issue....at all.... But unlike most people, he frames his opinion with a modicum of thought.
Midstate01
Posts: 14,766
Aug 12, 2012 7:20pm
Well that meeting the board had today was a disaster. Lol. Idiots.
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Aug 12, 2012 9:28pm
Read the legal opinions I posted in post #58...Private organizations may not impose sanctions/punishments/penalties on its members without proper notifications...e.g. "rules and regulations." The NCAA does have in its very bloated and massive rulebook rules against certain activities, specifically rules against drug use, as well as gambling. Hence, the NCAA can punish members for those violations. Moreover, those penalties are usually directed at the individuals responsible.Smoking weed is a criminal offensive it doesn't give an athlete any competitive advantage but the NCAA punishes people for that
The NCAA does not have a published rule against any general criminal activity, hence the very valid arguement that the NCAA has exceeded its' jurisdiction by levying punishments against PSU.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Aug 12, 2012 9:32pm
Which criminal activity was PSU punished for?HitsRus;1245557 wrote: The NCAA does not have a published rule against any general criminal activity, hence the very valid arguement that the NCAA has exceeded its' jurisdiction by levying punishments against PSU.