wildcats20;1223868 wrote:Nets sign Lopes to a 4 year, $61 mil contract and have "ended" talks to get Dwight.

Which is more than the "allowable amount" to trade someone or some ****? Ric Bucher was saying something but I wasn't paying that much attention.

Can't trade him now till I believe jan 15th.

Automatik;1223665 wrote:I've been seeing more Oden to Miami rumors popping up. I hope they get him on the cheap and he stays on the floor for more than 5 games.

I saw Oden this past weekend at the Scoonie Penn tourney at Ohio Dominican and he looked in awful shape. Evan Turner's car was sick though lol

robj55;1223928 wrote:I saw Oden this past weekend at the Scoonie Penn tourney at Ohio Dominican and he looked in awful shape. Evan Turner's car was sick though lol

I'm trying to find the article. But I read one about oden where they aren't letting him do anything with his legs. Then once they decide he's good to go, then they will try to get him in shape. I hope he can come back and even just be a productive bench player. He didn't do anything wrong. Just fell on bad luck.

Pwnage... you think too highly of yourself as do some of your little friends.

Some GM's were trying to land one of LBJ, Wade, Bosh, or Amare. A very few select GM's had the money and were trying to sign 2 max players thinking it was a feat in itself. Pat Riley was trying to sign 3 max players, 2 of them from other teams and talk all of them into not signing max contracts, and still rounding out his roster with solid role players that took discounts. He did just that and left everybody in the dust. So your trying to compare everybody else game plan to Pat's is a fucking joke. Their ideas of making a slash in free agency were merely piss drops in a toilet bowl compared to Pat's plans. Trust me, I can't even begin to tell you how many times people on ESPN and on here said it couldn't be done. Well he did it, and he's doing more work this offseason.

I know LBJ quit in the playoffs, who doesn't? He signed a contract, played out the years, and became a FA. How he left was bush league. Him quitting at the end of a playoff series for the Cavs doesn't have a single thing to do with Miami. They got their ring from him, sorry about Cleveland's bad luck.That's between him, the city of Cleveland, and their fans. Bosh signed a contract, played out his years, and left as a FA. News flash, it's not the first time someone left a team and signed elsewhere. It's professional sports, where people sign contracts and can do what they want when they're FA. Why are you so butthurt over it? Are you a Cleveland fan that hates seeing the Heat's success because in a way, it came at your expense? I hope you aren't because it probably would have stung even more to know your once golden boy eventually did team up with a guy like Bosh that Cavs fans so desperately called for, it just wasn't with your team. LBJ quit in the playoffs and left Cleveland in dick fashion. Bosh played hard until the last game and left a franchise that wasn't going anywhere fast. Don't compare the two, only a fool would.

The Heat tanked? Miami was a 47 win team and the 5th seed in the playoffs in 2010. They traded Chris Quinn for a pick, Mark Blount and his big contract for QRich, Marion/Banks/$ for JO/Moon/1st. It seems they were pretty damn competitive for as much talent was on that roster. Get your shit straight first, then open your mouth. The previous year Miami was the #5 seed again and traded an unhappy old Shaq for Marion/Banks, not bad. Like I said, get your shit straight then come talk to me.

ESPN was horrible to watch. They still are today. We all know that. There's nothing too exciting about stars staying home, however it does get juicy when imagining them leaving. They COMPLETELY over did it though. Everybody knew that at the time, you do know that right?

Since you mention the Heat tanking again, so shall I. DWade was bitching about not being a championship level team. He actually won a ring and like all champions, he couldn't wait to do it again. It's a tough pill to swallow going from champion, to swept, to worse team, to middle of the pack. DWade didn't have patience, and at times even doubted Pat would get him the help. Pat was patient and assembled a middle of the road playoff team until he would really do work. Trust me, DWade wanted Pat to blow money on some guys that would have made them NYK/ATL type teams-- a couple allstars that aren't going anywhere. Pat was smarter than Wade, and has proven it since. Lack of moves? I told you the trades he made, so Pat didn't sit on his ass. He gathered similar talent, better contracts, and future picks-- he got the best of all trades. Miami had naturally expiring contracts after the 2010 playoffs. Going into FA, Pat cleared salary by trading Cook for a pick and trading Beasley for picks. Pat did something else no other team could do... find a way to still be a middle of the road playoff team, have a roster that sets up perfect for the big FA summer, keep the bird rights to a superstar, and not tank. I very much remember everthing leading up to the big 3, the question is do you?

..."They had a hard time winning the championship". Welcome to professional sports-- where winning a championship will be the hardest thing you ever do as a team. LBJ should carry them, he is the best in the game. The Cleveland teams weren't good enough, please let it go. I hope this current Bulls team learns from those Cavs teams. Regular season doesn't entitle you to shit, but finishing does. Don't get it twisted. They didn't even get to the finals those last two years, lol. GTFO! You crack a joke at the Heat saying they had a hard time, yet mention later that it's never easy... which is it? The Heat did face the Bulls, and they beat them in 5 without homecourt-- and they couldn't even win a ring that year. That doesn't say much for the Bulls. The Heat beat Boston two years in a row. I'd say they're going okay against these "hard nose" defensive teams.

To end this... please show me where I said the MIAMI MODEL IS THE CORRECT WAY TO BUILD A TEAM? I'll wait. I said the goal is to create the best team you can. They did just that and have the ring to prove it. You call it a fucking joke, I call it a fucking championship. It's never been done before, but better yet, it had never been tried before. Big difference. They've got their ring, and maybe if you're lucky, they're just getting started.

jpake1;1223942 wrote:Pwnage... you think too highly of yourself as do some of your little friends.

Some GM's were trying to land one of LBJ, Wade, Bosh, or Amare. A very few select GM's had the money and were trying to sign 2 max players thinking it was a feat in itself. Pat Riley was trying to sign 3 max players, 2 of them from other teams and talk all of them into not signing max contracts, and still rounding out his roster with solid role players that took discounts. He did just that and left everybody in the dust. So your trying to compare everybody else game plan to Pat's is a ****ing joke. Their ideas of making a slash in free agency were merely piss drops in a toilet bowl compared to Pat's plans. Trust me, I can't even begin to tell you how many times people on ESPN and on here said it couldn't be done. Well he did it, and he's doing more work this offseason.

I know LBJ quit in the playoffs, who doesn't? He signed a contract, played out the years, and became a FA. How he left was bush league. Him quitting at the end of a playoff series for the Cavs doesn't have a single thing to do with Miami. They got their ring from him, sorry about Cleveland's bad luck.That's between him, the city of Cleveland, and their fans. Bosh signed a contract, played out his years, and left as a FA. News flash, it's not the first time someone left a team and signed elsewhere. It's professional sports, where people sign contracts and can do what they want when they're FA. Why are you so butthurt over it? Are you a Cleveland fan that hates seeing the Heat's success because in a way, it came at your expense? I hope you aren't because it probably would have stung even more to know your once golden boy eventually did team up with a guy like Bosh that Cavs fans so desperately called for, it just wasn't with your team. LBJ quit in the playoffs and left Cleveland in **** fashion. Bosh played hard until the last game and left a franchise that wasn't going anywhere fast. Don't compare the two, only a fool would.

The Heat tanked? Miami was a 47 win team and the 5th seed in the playoffs in 2010. They traded Chris Quinn for a pick, Mark Blount and his big contract for QRich, Marion/Banks/$ for JO/Moon/1st. It seems they were pretty damn competitive for as much talent was on that roster. Get your **** straight first, then open your mouth. The previous year Miami was the #5 seed again and traded an unhappy old Shaq for Marion/Banks, not bad. Like I said, get your **** straight then come talk to me.

ESPN was horrible to watch. They still are today. We all know that. There's nothing too exciting about stars staying home, however it does get juicy when imagining them leaving. They COMPLETELY over did it though. Everybody knew that at the time, you do know that right?

Since you mention the Heat tanking again, so shall I. DWade was bitching about not being a championship level team. He actually won a ring and like all champions, he couldn't wait to do it again. It's a tough pill to swallow going from champion, to swept, to worse team, to middle of the pack. DWade didn't have patience, and at times even doubted Pat would get him the help. Pat was patient and assembled a middle of the road playoff team until he would really do work. Trust me, DWade wanted Pat to blow money on some guys that would have made them NYK/ATL type teams-- a couple allstars that aren't going anywhere. Pat was smarter than Wade, and has proven it since. Lack of moves? I told you the trades he made, so Pat didn't sit on his ass. He gathered similar talent, better contracts, and future picks-- he got the best of all trades. Miami had naturally expiring contracts after the 2010 playoffs. Going into FA, Pat cleared salary by trading Cook for a pick and trading Beasley for picks. Pat did something else no other team could do... find a way to still be a middle of the road playoff team, have a roster that sets up perfect for the big FA summer, keep the bird rights to a superstar, and not tank. I very much remember everthing leading up to the big 3, the question is do you?

..."They had a hard time winning the championship". Welcome to professional sports-- where winning a championship will be the hardest thing you ever do as a team. LBJ should carry them, he is the best in the game. The Cleveland teams weren't good enough, please let it go. I hope this current Bulls team learns from those Cavs teams. Regular season doesn't entitle you to ****, but finishing does. Don't get it twisted. They didn't even get to the finals those last two years, lol. GTFO! You crack a joke at the Heat saying they had a hard time, yet mention later that it's never easy... which is it? The Heat did face the Bulls, and they beat them in 5 without homecourt-- and they couldn't even win a ring that year. That doesn't say much for the Bulls. The Heat beat Boston two years in a row. I'd say they're going okay against these "hard nose" defensive teams.

To end this... please show me where I said the MIAMI MODEL IS THE CORRECT WAY TO BUILD A TEAM? I'll wait. I said the goal is to create the best team you can. They did just that and have the ring to prove it. You call it a ****ing joke, I call it a ****ing championship. It's never been done before, but better yet, it had never been tried before. Big difference. They've got their ring, and maybe if you're lucky, they're just getting started.

I don't agree or disagree with what you said. I am a Cleveland fan, but I've completely moved on. But you spent too much time writing that, because it's going to get torn to pieces.

[HTML][/HTML]Lol "pats plan". It was Lebron wade and boshs plan. Pretty obvious.

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/05/27/tampering-of-a-different-kind-lebron-wade-and-johnson-to-discuss-plans-together/

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/morning-jolt/05/28/wade-james/index.html

There's your tampering charges jpake. Congrats on Pat Riley being the "genius". LMAO get his penis out of your mouth. LBJ and Wade were talking about playing together in Miami since 2008, not surprised that went over your head little guy. Cleveland even filed tampering charges against the snake oil salesman.

You mention the Heat and trades they made, every trade they made was with 2010 FA in mind, thus they traded away Beasely, the #2 pick just two years before. Getting rid of good players with salary cap space in mind is....TANKING! I can explain it further if you need me too, since this is obviously a tough thing for you to get your mind around. Your points about this just proved my point, thanks lol.

Commander of Awesome;1224003 wrote:http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/05/27/tampering-of-a-different-kind-lebron-wade-and-johnson-to-discuss-plans-together/

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/morning-jolt/05/28/wade-james/index.html

There's your tampering charges jpake. Congrats on Pat Riley being the "genius". LMAO get his penis out of your mouth. LBJ and Wade were talking about playing together in Miami since 2008, not surprised that went over your head little guy. Cleveland even filed tampering charges against the snake oil salesman.

You mention the Heat and trades they made, every trade they made was with 2010 FA in mind, thus they traded away Beasely, the #2 pick just two years before. Getting rid of good players with salary cap space in mind is....TANKING! I can explain it further if you need me too, since this is obviously a tough thing for you to get your mind around.

+1. You gotta love how he mentions how Pat didn't make moves when they were a 5 seed team, because he was hoping to make the big signings during free agency. UMMM pretty sure that is called tanking when your GM can, but he won't make moves to make his team better. lolfail on jpakes contradiction fail. Also, there were plenty of ESPN articles that stated Miami would have been the best fit for LeBron. I don't recall many people at all saying the Heat can't make those moves. Not to mention ESPN loves to blow NYC until it's dry, thus why there was a lack of Miami being mentioned. I wouldn't expect jpake to understand that though.

Anyway, jpake apparently has nothing, as he had to resort to the "Cleveland fans are butthurt" argument. That's a typical jordo tactic for people who don't have shit. There are plenty of non Cleveland fans who feel the same way, but congrats on being jordo's level. That's a great name to be mentioned with /sarcasm.

like_that;1224005 wrote:+1. You gotta love how he mentions how Pat didn't make moves when they were a 5 seed team, because he was hoping to make the big signings during free agency. UMMM pretty sure that is called tanking when your GM can, but he won't make moves to make his team better. lolfail on jpakes contradiction fail. Also, there were plenty of ESPN articles that stated Miami would have been the best fit for LeBron. I don't recall many people at all saying the Heat can't make those moves. Not to mention ESPN loves to blow NYC until it's dry, thus why there was a lack of Miami being mentioned. I wouldn't expect jpake to understand that though.

Anyway, jpake apparently has nothing, as he had to resort to the "Cleveland fans are butthurt" argument. That's a typical jordo tactic for people who don't have shit. There are plenty of non Cleveland fans who feel the same way, but congrats on being jordo's level. That's a great name to be mentioned with /sarcasm.

+1. Seriously weak argument, ESP on an Ohio message board. lolfail.

Commander of Awesome;1224010 wrote:+1. Seriously weak argument, ESP on an Ohio message board. lolfail.

It's cute that he is gained confidence to start posting on this site again, because he lives through his bandwagon team. Maybe he will call his little buddy SQ and ask him to start posting again.

Pat was tanking bc he didn't make any big signings after the 08-09 season, even when wade was bitching? So Pat refused to listen to wade and blow money in that year just so he could save it for the super FA class, but yet it was everybody else except Pat that created that plan? Wade wanted Boozer that summer, that was his plan. Of course they all made plans to play in Miami after the 08 olympics, why wouldn't they? Lebron only had the best regular season team two years in a row after that. I'm sure he alway made up his mind he would leave even if they won two rings to go to Miami. Lets just say Wade was faking when he would call Pat out for not getting him help, bc we all know the big three already had it planned. So teams now tank to be a 5 seed? I thought they did that for #1 picks, ya know, like the Cavs with Lebron. They traded Beasley in the offseason and went from a 5 seed to a 2 the next year, that's improvement not tanking. Pat made moves to keep them a 5 seed. He refused to give Boozer the max, thus he stayed in Utah. Would have signing him been good? Its working great for the Bulls. A Boozer/JJ type of contact is never good. Like Cuban said, its about going with the right players. Obviously it was the right choice. Many of you are butthurt, but let it go. Some are ultra sensitive still while others moved on and stop the lbj/heat talk because its time to talk about Kyrie. Its been two years, yet it still causes a stir. Confidence to post again? I've never held my tongue when I knew my foreign opinion would be torn apart. I never hid when they got their ass beat. Keep em coming.

Commander of Awesome;1223814 wrote:Where do I even start..... First of all Knicks, Nets, Miami, Clippers, and GS all cleared cap space and hoped to sign a bunch of FAs so to say Riley is the only one who envisioned it is a ****ing joke. Nice fail on that. LBJ and Bosh both straight up quit on their teams/city. LBJ even more so than Bosh, anyone who tries to say otherwise is a fool. Game 5 Celtics, nuff said. Bosh QQed about playing center in Toronto and leaves to.....PLAY a lot of Center for Miami. What a joke. Crying little bitch, LeCharles Bentley said it best when he came to cleveland, "They can put me at punter if they want to".

The Heat, Knicks, Clippers and Nets were all tanking and clearing cap space for up to 2 season before the supposed FA period. BSPN was letting Cleveland know the countdown ****ing daily on sportscenter that it became a damn joke. It was horrendous reporting and big reason why I consider BSPN a joke of a network and wish I could invest in a reasonable competitor. They were flat out giddy at the prospect of the juicy storyline of LBJ leaving cleveland. Again anyone who doesn't see this in hindsight is kidding themselves. LBJ gave it all to get to the finals, and lost and QQ'd like a little ****ing bitch. That when the whole can't beat them join them mentality started IMO. Olympics next summer.

As for the heat not tanking, excuse while I LMAO. Even your star Dwade was bitching about the lack of moves, and cap space shedding the heat was doing. Not surprised a bandwagon heat fan refuses to remember that though. Interesting how you conviently don't recall all of the bs sheninigans that led up to your team acquiring the "big 3". Even with the big 3, they had a hard time winning the championship and LBJ had to carry them. I hope he realizes that the Cleveland teams were good enough, and no matter what it's never easy. Would have loved to see the Heat go against a hard nose defensive team like the Bulls. Their road would have been much tougher and I would like to see how the heat would have handled it.

To end the pwnage, I would just like to say that your arrogance that the heat model is the correct way to build a team is a ****ing joke. It's never been done before and its won one ring. Congrats. They earned it no doubt. For my money I will take a proven method that isn't up to the whim of a ****ing douchebag 27 yr old quitter who I have to whine and dine, plead, and beg to come to my "super team". Give me the spurs/det/OKC model any day of the week.

Reps

Anybody that thinks Pat Riley had anything to do with that team coming together needs to quit talking about sports.

Mullens was going to play for Great Britain in the Olympics? He's not going to now but his mom is English and Mullens went through all the formalities and ok'd to participate.

Luol Deng will be on the GB team....Darren Collison was denied after an ancestry check.

Ironman92;1224284 wrote:Mullens was going to play for Great Britain in the Olympics? He's not going to now but his mom is English and Mullens went through all the formalities and ok'd to participate.

Luol Deng will be in the GB team....Darren Collison was denied after an ancestry check.

He's injured I believe.

Toe has been bothering him since April....but I'm guessing he's not going because his wife is due around that time with their first child.

Reports say he's not going in fear of making the toe worse and this is his year if he will ever get the bigger contract.

Sullinger 11 points 7 rebounds in the C's 1st loss of Summer League, Sully is 18/20 (90%) from the FT Line in 4 games

Ironman92;1224291 wrote:Toe has been bothering him since April....but I'm guessing he's not going because his wife is due around that time with their first child.

Reports say he's not going in fear of making the toe worse and this is his year if he will ever get the bigger contract.

Yeah this is a big year for him, if he can go out and build on last year and get 15 and 9 a night he will get a big deal.

Griffin has reinjured his left knee. Looks like he might be out for the Olympics, being reevaluated.

wildcats20;1224372 wrote:Griffin has reinjured his left knee. Looks like he might be out for the Olympics, being reevaluated.

That sucks. I was looking forward to some highlight dunks.

wildcats20;1224372 wrote:Griffin has reinjured his left knee. Looks like he might be out for the Olympics, being reevaluated.

Maybe now they could beat the Dream Team.

Ramon Sessions finalizing a deal with the Bobcats.

mucalum49;1224411 wrote:Ramon Sessions finalizing a deal with the Bobcats.

I lol'd. Goodbye K Walker experiment?

Commander of Awesome;1224423 wrote:I lol'd. Goodbye K Walker experiment?

Apparently Indy has some interest in DJ Augustin after trading Collison yesterday. They ran with DJ and Kemba at some points making a terribly small backcourt last year. Maybe trade DJ for some more assets and have Ramon/KW at point. The franchise is so f'd up I feel bad for the fans.

Commander of Awesome;1224423 wrote:I lol'd. Goodbye K Walker experiment?

No way.