gorocks99
Posts: 10,760
Jun 25, 2012 9:18am
Obviously the well-publicized case of Ryan Braun's positive test and subsequent dismissal cast a huge shadow over his 2011 MVP season. But when you look at his numbers for this year, they're as good (if not better) than last year.
2011:
150 GP, 33 HR, 111 RBI. .337 BABIP, .994 OPS
2012:
68 GP, 20 HR, 52 RBI. .322 BABIP, 1.011 OPS
So, for you, does his performance affect how you view the test results and his defense? Or do you still think he was juicing last year?
2011:
150 GP, 33 HR, 111 RBI. .337 BABIP, .994 OPS
2012:
68 GP, 20 HR, 52 RBI. .322 BABIP, 1.011 OPS
So, for you, does his performance affect how you view the test results and his defense? Or do you still think he was juicing last year?
Raw Dawgin' it
Posts: 11,466
Jun 25, 2012 9:19am
I think he was taking PEDs - but I'm on the side that doesn't care if an athlete takes them.gorocks99;1210900 wrote:Obviously the well-publicized case of Ryan Braun's positive test and subsequent dismissal cast a huge shadow over his 2011 MVP season. But when you look at his numbers for this year, they're as good (if not better) than last year.
2011:
150 GP, 33 HR, 111 RBI. .337 BABIP, .994 OPS
2012:
68 GP, 20 HR, 52 RBI. .322 BABIP, 1.011 OPS
So, for you, does his performance affect how you view the test results and his defense? Or do you still think he was juicing last year?
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Jun 25, 2012 9:40am
All you kept hearing was how hard he worked before the 2011 season....looked to be paying off! He already signed the huge contract before all of this. His results came back like 8x higher or something crazy that they say really isn't possible....whatever the case most will believe he did and since he's doing so well they will believe he's finding a way around it and that since he has been very good since his call-up that he has always used them....that's how most will think.
You might find 2 on here that says he's clean this year.....I believe he's clean. He started out like crap this year and they were saying he is missing his juice.
You might find 2 on here that says he's clean this year.....I believe he's clean. He started out like crap this year and they were saying he is missing his juice.
Raw Dawgin' it
Posts: 11,466
Jun 25, 2012 10:00am
I honestly don't blame anything athlete for taking drugs to stay healthy, preform well, and make as much money as possible.
hasbeen
Posts: 6,504
Jun 25, 2012 11:52am
looks like a good baseball player to me.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Jun 25, 2012 12:31pm
I wish they would just release what the hell happened so I can make an informed decision instead of a speculative one. He's an awesome player regardless and a fellow member of the Tribe
Rotinaj
Posts: 7,699
Jun 25, 2012 1:46pm
Brauns a cheater.
ohiobucks1
Posts: 4,915
Jun 25, 2012 2:30pm
I like him. He seems trustworthy and thus I dont think he juiced
hope this helps.
hope this helps.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Jun 25, 2012 4:45pm
Braun*
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Jun 25, 2012 6:24pm
I think he is clean. I think a lot of these guys are consuming stuff (eating, supplements, normal diet, whatever) that comes up as positive, when in reality they arent really cheating. I dont think anyone who is a solid MLB player post 2005 or whenever the shit hit the fan is dumb enough to go out and cheat on purpose. The guys who I think do it on purpose are the career AAAA players, guys trying to prolong their career, or guys trying to make the bigs somehow. Braun has absolutely no reason to cheat in todays MLB, so I dont know why he would.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Jun 25, 2012 9:13pm
Have you seen why he got off the 50 game suspension? I thought what happened was he tested positive, but the guy administering the test took it back home with him because he had to overnight it and the FEDEX guy was already gone, so he went to a FEDEX store by his house (hence, why he took it home). Since he took it home, the results were thrown out.Laley23;1211441 wrote:I think he is clean.
If that's true..and I'm pretty sure it is..there's no way he's clean lol just got off on a formality.
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Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Jun 25, 2012 9:28pm
What's he on this year? You know he's being watched very closely and he's surpassing what he was doing last year.
wildcats20
Posts: 27,794
Jun 25, 2012 9:29pm
Probably the same shit.
It's "random" testing, so he will never be tested again.
It's "random" testing, so he will never be tested again.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Jun 25, 2012 9:32pm
wildcats20;1211661 wrote:Probably the same shit.
It's "random" testing, so he will never be tested again.
Random does not mean ever....ask Manny.
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Sonofanump
Jun 25, 2012 11:36pm
I thought once you were caught, you get tested more.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Jun 26, 2012 8:29am
Who said anything about this year?Ironman92;1211656 wrote:What's he on this year? You know he's being watched very closely and he's surpassing what he was doing last year.
He was clearly positive last year when they tested him..then got off on a formality.
Oh but since he's putting up good numbers again this year, we'll just ignore that little tidbit.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Jun 26, 2012 8:50am
SportsAndLady;1211909 wrote:Who said anything about this year?
He was clearly positive last year when they tested him..then got off on a formality.
Oh but since he's putting up good numbers again this year, we'll just ignore that little tidbit.
He's doing great again.....do you think he is clean this year?
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Jun 26, 2012 12:29pm
Did you read all of what I wrote? I think a lot of guys are taking stuff that is banned, but not on purpose. Also dont think what they are taking is making much of a difference. What these guys are now testing positive for is far from the stuff McGwire, Canseco, etc were injecting.SportsAndLady;1211621 wrote:Have you seen why he got off the 50 game suspension? I thought what happened was he tested positive, but the guy administering the test took it back home with him because he had to overnight it and the FEDEX guy was already gone, so he went to a FEDEX store by his house (hence, why he took it home). Since he took it home, the results were thrown out.
If that's true..and I'm pretty sure it is..there's no way he's clean lol just got off on a formality.
Braun*
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
Jun 26, 2012 1:17pm
Well...he pretty much was cleared due to a technicality in the handling of the sample. That was what his side was fighting. They werent really fignting that he didnt do it. Kinda like a DUI lawyer fighting that the stop was illegal and therefore the DUI should be tosse.dlhslep134;1211090 wrote:I wish they would just release what the hell happened so I can make an informed decision instead of a speculative one. He's an awesome player regardless and a fellow member of the Tribe
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Jun 26, 2012 2:03pm
So Braun was just trying to up his sperm count? Nothing to benefit him athletically? LolLaley23;1212144 wrote:Did you read all of what I wrote? I think a lot of guys are taking stuff that is banned, but not on purpose. Also dont think what they are taking is making much of a difference. What these guys are now testing positive for is far from the stuff McGwire, Canseco, etc were injecting.
I hate Braun I hate the brewers...dudes a cheater just got off on a formality.
hasbeen
Posts: 6,504
Jun 26, 2012 2:08pm
Okay, let's say I agree with you.SportsAndLady;1212213 wrote:So Braun was just trying to up his sperm count? Nothing to benefit him athletically? Lol
I hate Braun I hate the brewers...dudes a cheater just got off on a formality.
Braun is a cheater. He got off on a formality and now he's under more scrutiny. He's putting up similar-to-better numbers this year. Was what he was taking a benefit to him athletically?
gorocks99
Posts: 10,760
Jun 26, 2012 2:14pm
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't he say he was taking herpes medication?
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Jun 26, 2012 7:02pm
It sure was...steroids isn't just a 1 year thing lol you don't JUST benefit when you're taking them.hasbeen;1212216 wrote:Okay, let's say I agree with you.
Braun is a cheater. He got off on a formality and now he's under more scrutiny. He's putting up similar-to-better numbers this year. Was what he was taking a benefit to him athletically?
Regardless..whether or not you're currently on or off steroids, if you've tested positive before, you're still a cheater.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Jun 26, 2012 7:03pm
Never heard that..and not sure if it's true or not..but in my mind Braun now has herpesgorocks99;1212219 wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't he say he was taking herpes medication?
hasbeen
Posts: 6,504
Jun 27, 2012 12:21pm
I just read about a pitcher who was in the majors up until the early 2000s in Sports Illustrated who said the opposite, I believe. He would use all offseason, start the season great, but then the longer he stopped using them, the worse he performed. It was a few weeks ago.SportsAndLady;1212406 wrote:It sure was...steroids isn't just a 1 year thing lol you don't JUST benefit when you're taking them.
Regardless..whether or not you're currently on or off steroids, if you've tested positive before, you're still a cheater.
I don't see how steroids last year would help him all that much this year.