enigmaax wrote: dazed - You are saying that they shouldn't have lost in the first place, but you're willing to give a team with more losses a free pass. That doesn't make any more sense than what everyone complains about now.

Oh it is a travesty that Boise State wins all its games against crappy teams and can't play for a title. So you turn around and say, not only are we going to ensure Boise State gets a shot at 12-0, but we definitely need the Sun Belt champ to have a shot since they are 7-5.

The point is that everyone has a quick and easy fix until you actually start to compare the two. Playoffs may be better in some ways, but it'd have to be properly done and it isn't as simple as people try to act.

if you win your conference, you have a shot at a national championship...end of discussion. that's the only way to make it not look like you are favoring the big name conferences. sure nobody expects troy to win in tuscaloosa, but they have a shot - im also sure nobody thought 16th seeded princeton had a chance to win against number 1 georgetown back in the 80s, but they were one bucket from the biggest upset of all time. troy, central michigan and east carolina deserve a shot at the title...cal, clemson and oklahoma do not

if you guys want to get together and have a good cry because georgia or usc won't be in the playoff because of their terrible conference records, then go right ahead. those teams could also leave their respective conferences and go join conference usa and the sun belt if they want an easier time in conference and a guaranteed spot in the playoffs

dazedconfused wrote:
if you win your conference, you have a shot at a national championship...end of discussion. that's the only way to make it not look like you are favoring the big name conferences. sure nobody expects troy to win in tuscaloosa, but they have a shot - im also sure nobody thought 16th seeded princeton had a chance to win against number 1 georgetown back in the 80s, but they were one bucket from the biggest upset of all time. troy, central michigan and east carolina deserve a shot at the title...cal, clemson and oklahoma do not

if you guys want to get together and have a good cry because georgia or usc won't be in the playoff because of their terrible conference records, then go right ahead. those teams could also leave their respective conferences and go join conference usa and the sun belt if they want an easier time in conference and a guaranteed spot in the playoffs

We don't need to cry about anything, you're the one living in fantasy land.

I really don't think you're going to convince anyone by whining that garbage teams deserve a shot at a national title. Nobody would watch Alabama vs. Troy....and you expect any college president/conference commissioner to be convinced by your argument? Seriously you must be kidding.

Mooney44Cards wrote: And they don't give a fuck about you or your opinion as they laugh all the way to the bank every year with their filled stadiums, huge ratings, local economy boost, not to mention ecstatic players.

Really hard to call something that is so successful and makes so much money "meaningless". Be like me saying your playoffs would be played for a meaningless trophy.

and that's exactly what's wrong this stupid system. let's take the orange bowl for example. what exactly do georgia tech or iowa win by winning that game? anything? anything at all? i know what they would win by winning the playoff, but i'm still wondering what they get for that all important orange bowl victory.

and do you not think players would be ecstatic about a playoff?

Yama Hama wrote: We don't need to cry about anything, you're the one living in fantasy land.

I really don't think you're going to convince anyone by whining that garbage teams deserve a shot at a national title. Nobody would watch Alabama vs. Troy....and you expect any college president/conference commissioner to be convinced by your argument? Seriously you must be kidding.

then why do they even play football at those schools if they have no chance at a title? what's the point? what for an all important trip to boise idaho for a shot at the ever meaningful humanitarian bowl?

[size=xx-large]We're going to play in a meaningless game!!!!![/size]

dazedconfused wrote:

Yama Hama wrote: We don't need to cry about anything, you're the one living in fantasy land.

I really don't think you're going to convince anyone by whining that garbage teams deserve a shot at a national title. Nobody would watch Alabama vs. Troy....and you expect any college president/conference commissioner to be convinced by your argument? Seriously you must be kidding.

then why do they even play football at those schools if they have no chance at a title? what's the point? what for an all important trip to boise idaho for a shot at the ever meaningful humanitarian bowl?

Hey, don't rip on Boise....That is one of those exotic places.

[size=xx-large]WE ARE TOO!!!!!!![/size]

Yama Hama, you post a picture of students after a WIN? What does that prove? Why don't you post a picture of students after a loss even though they are going to a bowl game. I am sure the reactions would be the same.....right?

Yama Hama wrote:

[size=xx-large]We're going to play in a meaningless game!!!!![/size]

i love my ducks and i am going to root like hell for them in the rose bowl, but at the end of the day what does that gain them?
some more practice time? (which they would have anyway in a playoff) a trip to la? (they already visit la once a year anyways)

everything's on the line for one game (the computer/poll determined matchup of texas/alabama) and all the other games are just about superficial fluff...i hate that about the system

Yama Hama wrote: We don't need to cry about anything, you're the one living in fantasy land.

I really don't think you're going to convince anyone by whining that garbage teams deserve a shot at a national title. Nobody would watch Alabama vs. Troy....and you expect any college president/conference commissioner to be convinced by your argument? Seriously you must be kidding.

Sidebar: Exactly. Why is it so hard to understand that they don't have to convince me and you? Practically every point made in favor of a playoff is contrary to the job of the people making the decisions. College football does just fine in many ways without a playoff. It is going to take a hell of a lot more than "be fair to Boise" to get anyone of importance to change something that isn't broken when measured by their bottom line.

You can hate the bowls all you want. If you don't spend money on them, then your opinion doesn't really matter. If you do spend money on them and can get enough people to stop spending money on them, you might get a change. Otherwise, you are just senselessly bitching.

That picture is a great argument against a playoff.

Because no way would a playoff-clinching win for the Pac-10 title over their arch-rivals have resulted in the same type of celebration.

dazedconfused wrote: then why do they even play football at those schools if they have no chance at a title? what's the point? what for an all important trip to boise idaho for a shot at the ever meaningful humanitarian bowl?

Maybe you should direct that question to the 120 some schools who play in the FBS.

enigmaax wrote: Maybe you should direct that question to the 120 some schools who play in the FBS.

yes, i think they are wasting their time

I have a good question, why did Boise even leave 1-AA? They were one of the top teams in the country in 1AA and they decided to move up. They could be winning a championship right now.

dazedconfused wrote: if you win your conference, you have a shot at a national championship...end of discussion. that's the only way to make it not look like you are favoring the big name conferences. sure nobody expects troy to win in tuscaloosa, but they have a shot - im also sure nobody thought 16th seeded princeton had a chance to win against number 1 georgetown back in the 80s, but they were one bucket from the biggest upset of all time. troy, central michigan and east carolina deserve a shot at the title...cal, clemson and oklahoma do not

if you guys want to get together and have a good cry because georgia or usc won't be in the playoff because of their terrible conference records, then go right ahead. those teams could also leave their respective conferences and go join conference usa and the sun belt if they want an easier time in conference and a guaranteed spot in the playoffs

Well if the crappy conferences want to play for a national title, move down to the FCS. The big name conferences are those for a reason - look at the records; there is a clear line drawn between the big time and the little time within the FBS. It is a privilege that they are allowed to compete at that level to begin with, not a right. Would you feel better if the FBS instituted competitive standards that resulted in the entire division being cut in half?

Yama Hama wrote: I have a good question, why did Boise even leave 1-AA? They were one of the top teams in the country in 1AA and they decided to move up. They could be winning a championship right now.

Money. Oh wait, the same reason they argue that the bowl system won't change is the exact reason they left 1AA.

enigmaax wrote: Well if the crappy conferences want to play for a national title, move down to the FCS. The big name conferences are those for a reason - look at the records; there is a clear line drawn between the big time and the little time within the FBS. It is a privilege that they are allowed to compete at that level to begin with, not a right. Would you feel better if the FBS instituted competitive standards that resulted in the entire division being cut in half?

it's not about me feeling better, i just don't understand why a team (or a conference) would willingly go along with a system that basically admitts that it is biased against them?

dazedconfused wrote:

enigmaax wrote: Well if the crappy conferences want to play for a national title, move down to the FCS. The big name conferences are those for a reason - look at the records; there is a clear line drawn between the big time and the little time within the FBS. It is a privilege that they are allowed to compete at that level to begin with, not a right. Would you feel better if the FBS instituted competitive standards that resulted in the entire division being cut in half?

it's not about me feeling better, i just don't understand why a team (or a conference) would willingly go along with a system that basically admitts that it is biased against them?

Money.

Yama Hama wrote:Money.

well most of those smaller schools lose money on the bowl game anyways (especially for the games played more than three hours away from its campus), so why go along with it?

welp, im out...

enigmaax, mooney and yama: good swapping differing opinions with you guys

dazedconfused wrote:

Yama Hama wrote:Money.

well most of those smaller schools lose money on the bowl game anyways (especially for the games played more than three hours away from its campus), so why go along with it?

Most of them get huge checks to play at the big schools in non-conference games. Guess where that money is coming from?

College baseball = playoff
College basketball = playoff
College hockey = playoff
NFL = playoff
NHL = playoff
NBA = playoff
MLB = playoff
All College football divisions except one = playoff
College volleyball = playoff
College softball = playoff
College lacrosse = playoff
High school sports = playoff

Major College football = no playoff

JoeA1010 wrote: College baseball = playoff
College basketball = playoff
College hockey = playoff
NFL = playoff
NHL = playoff
NBA = playoff
MLB = playoff
All College football divisions except one = playoff
College volleyball = playoff
College softball = playoff
College lacrosse = playoff
High school sports = playoff

Major College football = no playoff

Lack of logic: priceless.

enigmaax wrote: dazed - You are saying that they shouldn't have lost in the first place, but you're willing to give a team with more losses a free pass. That doesn't make any more sense than what everyone complains about now.

Oh it is a travesty that Boise State wins all its games against crappy teams and can't play for a title. So you turn around and say, not only are we going to ensure Boise State gets a shot at 12-0, but we definitely need the Sun Belt champ to have a shot since they are 7-5.

The point is that everyone has a quick and easy fix until you actually start to compare the two. Playoffs may be better in some ways, but it'd have to be properly done and it isn't as simple as people try to act.

Win your conference. How can it be simpler than that? It works the same way in basketball...regardless of what the overall record is, you want the best team each conference has to offer playing each other. If you take care of buisness against the other teams in your conference, you go to the playoff GUARANTEED to be your conference's representative. If you don't like that idea, don't lose your conference. If you do lose it, don't bitch. Everybody has the same chance to win their conference and get an auto-bid to play for the title. It can't get simpler than that. A system that is based on the game and rewards the teams that win?!?!?! *GASP* What the hell is that all about?????

Yama Hama wrote:

dazedconfused wrote:
how are there complaints if there is a 16 team playoff complete with all 11 conferences getting a bid along with the 5 best at large bid teams? the regular season can still mean something because the highest seeded team would have homefield advantage up until the championship game, which would be played at neutral site rotating amongst miami, new orleans, glendale and pasadena.

every regular season game matters with this system. apply this system to what happened to florida this year. because they lost in the sec championship game, they would have to travel to tcu and alabama before even reaching the neutral site national championship game. alabama, due to winning that game and earning the number 1 seed in the bcs, gets to play three home games on their route to the championship game.

the system now has 34 postseason games in which only one matters - a solid three percent...not exactly hitting it out of the park. my proposed system (well also dan wetzel's from yahoo) features 15 postseason games and all 15 matter. plus we determine who the best team overall is on the field and not because of what some computer thought

I would complain that I'd rather watch some 5-6 loss MAC team play a team of roughly equal skill in a bowl game than watch them get destroyed by the number one team in the country. Those kids from that MAC school get to go out with a win instead of a loss.

Sorry, I'm not interested in garbage teams playing in a playoff against the big boys. I'd rather watch garbage teams play garbage teams.

"Great job playing in a tough schedule against a great conference Team from SEC, but we're gonna take the MAC champion cuz they did ok against a garbage schedule in a garbage conference. Oh and we're also taking the Mountain West and Conference USA Champions. And don't forget the WAC. We know you're way better and would beat most of these teams but people complained that we needed a playoff so you don't get to come because you're the 3rd best team in the best conference in football. Oh yeah and tell your players, no more week-long reward vacation in an exotic place, your season is over."

Since you guys are so big on the bottom line, the bottom line of college football is WINS AND LOSSES. If your Mt. West champion is sitting there at 13-0, and your "great" SEC team is sitting there with 3 losses, hell yes you're taking the undefeated team. If you want to continue to play; WIN. It's like that in every other sport, at every other level in the country. Why do we baby college football players?

And it's hilarious to me that you said in another post that "no one would watch Troy vs. Alabama" and yet Alabama, and every other BCS conference school packs stadiums and has nationally televised games against teams like that every year OOC. OSU has no trouble selling out a 100,000+ seat stadium for New Mexico State, and you're telling me that in a playoff, where Alabama HAD to win to advance to the next round, that no one would watch, and they wouldn't sell the place out?? Right. the whole fucking state of Alabama would be there dude. Not to mention the fact that like the NCAA tournament in basketball, the demand has grown so much for them to cover almost every game in the first two rounds, that the game would be on national TV, as would every other playoff game in an 8 team playoff.