You say the NFL regular season is boring because it has a playoff, yet the NFL is regarded as being the most popular sport in the US. What gives?

Yama Hama wrote:

jordo212000 wrote: Yeah avoid playing a tough mid major, skate through a propped up conference and then tell the mid-majors "you didn't play anybody, you don't deserve the chance to play" seems to be the current strategy for the BCS conference teams

Fine then. Lets do your 8 team playoff. Try telling the SEC that Florida isn't one of the 8 best teams in the country.

Florida's not one of the best 8 teams in the country. They haven't been all year. Thank the pre-season polls for cockblocking better teams from moving up. Florida played NOBODY out of conference, and who was their best win in conference? Yeah, LSU and they aren't very good either. Sorry, but there are 10 or more teams that would all hang with/beat Florida this year. Not last year. Bud definately this year.

jordo212000 wrote:
Just like you and the BCS have no clue whether Texas is better than TCU, Cincy, and Boise. Assumptions are fun

Hmmm, find where I said Texas was better than those teams. Texas earned it though.

I could be really good at my job. The best even. But if someone else has better numbers than I do, they deserve a raise or a promotion and I don't. Even if I'd do much better work than that guy head to head.

trep14 wrote: You say the NFL regular season is boring because it has a playoff, yet the NFL is regarded as being the most popular sport in the US. What gives?

Well, theres only 32 teams instead of 118, every single game is televised, and fantasy football. Of course its more popular.

If you have an 8 team playoff with the 6 BCS conference champions and 2 at large teams based on the BCS standings, Boise State would not make the playoffs this year.

1 Alabama vs. 9 Georgia Tech
2 Texas vs. 8 Ohio State
3 Cincinnati vs. 7 Oregon
4 TCU vs. 5 Florida

Yama Hama wrote:
Hmmm, find where I said Texas was better than those teams. Texas earned it though.

You told the dude that he was assuming something when he was talking about the ratings, and acted like assuming something should be frowned upon.

Well, the BCS is based on assumptions. There is no way of telling who is the best team between Texas, Boise, TCU, and Cincy. Texas could be the best team, but we'll never know.

Cleveland Buck wrote: If you have an 8 team playoff with the 6 BCS conference champions and 2 at large teams based on the BCS standings, Boise State would not make the playoffs this year.

1 Alabama vs. 9 Georgia Tech
2 Texas vs. 8 Ohio State
3 Cincinnati vs. 7 Oregon
4 TCU vs. 5 Florida

That is stupid because there is no reason whatsoever for Georgia Tech/Ohio State to be playing for the championship

Yama Hama wrote:

goosebumps wrote:
Ratings for the playoff games would be much higher than bowl games. The average viewer might not care about the Rose Bowl or the Sugar Bowl if their teams arent in them. But if my favorite team plays the winner the following week or might play them in two weeks you better believe I'm watching.

You are making assumptions. I am providing facts. 29.6 percent jump last year in the ratings for the BCS games.

Don't throw conjecture like "ratings would be much higher for playoff games" out there and use that as fact. You have no idea that a playoff would work.

So you could honestly tell me, before last week's game, that Montana was CLEARLY and DEFINATELY the better team over Appalachian State, who has won like 3 out of the last 4 Div. I (formerly 1-AA) national championships? How is that possible? You can't honestly tell me that you can say with 5 undefeated teams left, who the better team is.

NEWSFLASH: College football's post season SHOULD NOT be designed to conform around MEDIA RATINGS, it should be designed to conform around determining who is the best team in the nation. That's like saying the President of the United States should be elected on the terms of who attracts the most media attention, not who is most effective. Fuck the BCS, I want to know who the BEST TEAM IN THE NATION IS, and I want to SEE IT BY THEM PROVING IT TO ME BY BEATING OTHER UNDEFEATED/CONFERENCE CHAMPIONS, not just one, and not just which two teams they want to bring in the most money.

Yama Hama wrote:

jordo212000 wrote:
Just like you and the BCS have no clue whether Texas is better than TCU, Cincy, and Boise. Assumptions are fun

Hmmm, find where I said Texas was better than those teams. Texas earned it though.

I could be really good at my job. The best even. But if someone else has better numbers than I do, they deserve a raise or a promotion and I don't. Even if I'd do much better work than that guy head to head.

But what if every other company around you used a head to head system to determine promotions so that way the best rose to the top every time? But your company was too archaic to implement such a system because it was controlled by a greedy corporation that spewed propaganda about how implementing a head to head system would never work, and then mindless drones repeated that online on various message boards?

jordo212000 wrote:

Cleveland Buck wrote: If you have an 8 team playoff with the 6 BCS conference champions and 2 at large teams based on the BCS standings, Boise State would not make the playoffs this year.

1 Alabama vs. 9 Georgia Tech
2 Texas vs. 8 Ohio State
3 Cincinnati vs. 7 Oregon
4 TCU vs. 5 Florida

That is stupid because there is no reason whatsoever for Georgia Tech/Ohio State to be playing for the championship

Uhh ohh, here go these crazy playoff guys again....can't even agree on what kind of playoff they want but want to completely change the entire dynamic of the greatest sport on earth.

Yama Hama wrote:
Uhh ohh, here go these crazy playoff guys again....can't even agree on what kind of playoff they want but want to completely change the entire dynamic of the greatest sport on earth.

I'd take that over the BCS. At least they are settling it on the field. What is so crazy about wanting a system just like every other sport THAT WORKS

Yama Hama wrote:

jordo212000 wrote:

Cleveland Buck wrote: If you have an 8 team playoff with the 6 BCS conference champions and 2 at large teams based on the BCS standings, Boise State would not make the playoffs this year.

1 Alabama vs. 9 Georgia Tech
2 Texas vs. 8 Ohio State
3 Cincinnati vs. 7 Oregon
4 TCU vs. 5 Florida

That is stupid because there is no reason whatsoever for Georgia Tech/Ohio State to be playing for the championship

Uhh ohh, here go these crazy playoff guys again....can't even agree on what kind of playoff they want but want to completely change the entire dynamic of the greatest sport on earth.

Count me in for any playoff system because it would automatically be better than the BCS. Beggars can't be choosers.

I like how your reasoning against a playoff consists of ratings (which A: would still be high for a playoff (who wouldn't watch cincy play oregon or texas play osu in the first round?) and B: shouldn't matter anyway because we are talking about college sports) and that people can't decide on a format for a playoff. I think if any playoff system were to actually be drawn up, people would get behind it pretty quickly because anything is an improvement over the garbage system we have now.

trep14 wrote: But what if every other company around you used a head to head system to determine promotions so that way the best rose to the top every time? But your company was too archaic to implement such a system because it was controlled by a greedy corporation that spewed propaganda about how implementing a head to head system would never work, and then mindless drones repeated that online on various message boards?

The dude just proved why a playoff wouldn't solve anything and you call him (and me) a mindless drone? Not everybody is going to be happy. No matter what. Whether we have 4, 8, 16 team playoffs or keep the bowl system in place......you will bitch, Boise will bitch, someone will bitch.

I'll leave you guys alone for awhile. Figure out a playoff system where only deserving teams make the playoffs and no great teams get excluded and I'm sure the conferences will consider it. Problem is, that doesn't exist.

jordo212000 wrote:

Yama Hama wrote:
Uhh ohh, here go these crazy playoff guys again....can't even agree on what kind of playoff they want but want to completely change the entire dynamic of the greatest sport on earth.

I'd take that over the BCS. At least they are settling it on the field. What is so crazy about wanting a system just like every other sport THAT WORKS

College football isn't like every other sport. Why would you want to make it as lame as every other sport?

Mooney44Cards wrote:

trep14 wrote: But what if every other company around you used a head to head system to determine promotions so that way the best rose to the top every time? But your company was too archaic to implement such a system because it was controlled by a greedy corporation that spewed propaganda about how implementing a head to head system would never work, and then mindless drones repeated that online on various message boards?

The dude just proved why a playoff wouldn't solve anything and you call him (and me) a mindless drone? Not everybody is going to be happy. No matter what. Whether we have 4, 8, 16 team playoffs or keep the bowl system in place......you will bitch, Boise will bitch, someone will bitch.

I'll leave you guys alone for awhile. Figure out a playoff system where only deserving teams make the playoffs and no great teams get excluded and I'm sure the conferences will consider it. Problem is, that doesn't exist.

Ummm how exactly was it proven that a playoff system wouldn't work again?

Mooney44Cards wrote:
The dude just proved why a playoff wouldn't solve anything and you call him (and me) a mindless drone? Not everybody is going to be happy. No matter what. Whether we have 4, 8, 16 team playoffs or keep the bowl system in place......you will bitch, Boise will bitch, someone will bitch.

I'll leave you guys alone for awhile. Figure out a playoff system where only deserving teams make the playoffs and no great teams get excluded and I'm sure the conferences will consider it. Problem is, that doesn't exist.

That has to be the biggest cop-out yet for the BCS. "people will still complain"

Yama Hama wrote:

jordo212000 wrote:
Just like you and the BCS have no clue whether Texas is better than TCU, Cincy, and Boise. Assumptions are fun

Hmmm, find where I said Texas was better than those teams. Texas earned it though.

I could be really good at my job. The best even. But if someone else has better numbers than I do, they deserve a raise or a promotion and I don't. Even if I'd do much better work than that guy head to head.

True. But if you have the exact SAME numbers (i.e. 0 losses), then subjectivity takes over if you don't have a way to decide it in a way that everyone can see who is better. Luckily, football (along with basketball, baseball, and basically every other sport) offers us this way that shows us this; idiotically, the BCS chooses to ignore this system and use one based on nostalgia and money.

"Why the hell would we let OTHER teams win, when we can watch the same teams play in the same bowls year after year after year, as long as they don't lose!! As long as they don't schedule anybody during the regular season, and beat the few decent teams in their conference, other teams cant move up, since the SAME teams always start the season ranked in the top 10!!" --The BCS in a nutshell.

Isn't it fun to know that next year, will look almost exactly like this one. Same 12 teams all in the top 12-15, with a few other BCS conference teams, not playing anybody so they don't lose, and guaranteeing themselves a spot in the BCS yet again next year. Wow, really original.

trep14 wrote:

Mooney44Cards wrote:

trep14 wrote: But what if every other company around you used a head to head system to determine promotions so that way the best rose to the top every time? But your company was too archaic to implement such a system because it was controlled by a greedy corporation that spewed propaganda about how implementing a head to head system would never work, and then mindless drones repeated that online on various message boards?

The dude just proved why a playoff wouldn't solve anything and you call him (and me) a mindless drone? Not everybody is going to be happy. No matter what. Whether we have 4, 8, 16 team playoffs or keep the bowl system in place......you will bitch, Boise will bitch, someone will bitch.

I'll leave you guys alone for awhile. Figure out a playoff system where only deserving teams make the playoffs and no great teams get excluded and I'm sure the conferences will consider it. Problem is, that doesn't exist.

Ummm how exactly was it proven that a playoff system wouldn't work again?

Great team being left out of playoffs. You can say you would be fine with Boise or Florida not making it, but it wouldn't be ok with Boise or Florida and the debate would flare up again and we would have to change everything again.

Yama Hama wrote:

jordo212000 wrote:

Yama Hama wrote:
Uhh ohh, here go these crazy playoff guys again....can't even agree on what kind of playoff they want but want to completely change the entire dynamic of the greatest sport on earth.

I'd take that over the BCS. At least they are settling it on the field. What is so crazy about wanting a system just like every other sport THAT WORKS

College football isn't like every other sport. Why would you want to make it as lame as every other sport?

Huh, I wasn't aware every other sport was lame. In fact, I think its the other way around...you have coaches who quit on their teams before bowl games and undefeated teams that are left playing each other for no particular reason, just for the sake of playing. You're right that college football isn't like every other sport, but you can definitely make a case that college football has the lamest postseason.

Yama Hama wrote:
College football isn't like every other sport. Why would you want to make it as lame as every other sport?

God forbid they decide who plays in the championship game on the field...

Mooney44Cards wrote:

trep14 wrote:

Mooney44Cards wrote:

trep14 wrote: But what if every other company around you used a head to head system to determine promotions so that way the best rose to the top every time? But your company was too archaic to implement such a system because it was controlled by a greedy corporation that spewed propaganda about how implementing a head to head system would never work, and then mindless drones repeated that online on various message boards?

The dude just proved why a playoff wouldn't solve anything and you call him (and me) a mindless drone? Not everybody is going to be happy. No matter what. Whether we have 4, 8, 16 team playoffs or keep the bowl system in place......you will bitch, Boise will bitch, someone will bitch.

I'll leave you guys alone for awhile. Figure out a playoff system where only deserving teams make the playoffs and no great teams get excluded and I'm sure the conferences will consider it. Problem is, that doesn't exist.

Ummm how exactly was it proven that a playoff system wouldn't work again?

Great team being left out of playoffs. You can say you would be fine with Boise or Florida not making it, but it wouldn't be ok with Boise or Florida and the debate would flare up again and we would have to change everything again.

Like I said, its much easier to leave a one loss team out than an undefeated team...you may hear complaining about the NCAA tournament field in men's basketball or in ohio high school football, but at the end of the day, those teams that get left out didn't take care of business on the field, and that is where the complaining stops.

Heres an excellent article on a possible playoff scenario, I say we let this guy design it:

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=dw-ncaafplayoff120709&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

jordo212000 wrote: That has to be the biggest cop-out yet for the BCS. "people will still complain"

People complaining is the only reason the BCS would have to change. So you sit here and complain about there not being a playoff and expect the BCS to change to a playoff and then dismiss complaining as a cop-out. Lol that is a pretty bad argument.

Why would the BCS want to change their system unless it stopped people from complaining? It provides amazing games (USC vs Texas, Boise vs. Oklahoma, OSU vs. Miami) makes a shit ton of money and people come to the games, watch the games, and enjoy themselves. Other than a very loud vocal minority, they have no reason to change. If the bitching would continue after they implemented a playoff, why change to begin with?

Yama Hama wrote:

jordo212000 wrote:

Yama Hama wrote:
Uhh ohh, here go these crazy playoff guys again....can't even agree on what kind of playoff they want but want to completely change the entire dynamic of the greatest sport on earth.

I'd take that over the BCS. At least they are settling it on the field. What is so crazy about wanting a system just like every other sport THAT WORKS

College football isn't like every other sport. Why would you want to make it as lame as every other sport?

Since when did equal opportunity= lame? The only thing that's lame right now is there are 3 teams (as well as Texas and Alabama) who all did what 114 other teams FAILED to do, and they are told, basically, that they don't deserve the opportunity to play for the sport's ultimate prize, because...why? They're undefeated?

Since you've AVOIDED every post I've made so far, tell me what Cincy, Boise, and TCU WOULD have to do to even deserve an opportunity in your eyes? Obviously undefeated isn't good enough. Maybe they should play in the SEC and lose two games next year, and still get an invite to the NC game. That would TOTALLy be better than being undefeated.

Yama Hama wrote: People complaining is the only reason the BCS would have to change. So you sit here and complain about there not being a playoff and expect the BCS to change to a playoff and then dismiss complaining as a cop-out. Lol that is a pretty bad argument.

Why would the BCS want to change their system unless it stopped people from complaining? It provides amazing games (USC vs Texas, Boise vs. Oklahoma, OSU vs. Miami) makes a shit ton of money and people come to the games, watch the games, and enjoy themselves. Other than a very loud vocal minority, they have no reason to change. If the bitching would continue after they implemented a playoff, why change to begin with?

I'm still waiting for your argument on why the BCS is better. (please don't say ratings)

Yama Hama wrote:

jordo212000 wrote: That has to be the biggest cop-out yet for the BCS. "people will still complain"

People complaining is the only reason the BCS would have to change. So you sit here and complain about there not being a playoff and expect the BCS to change to a playoff and then dismiss complaining as a cop-out. Lol that is a pretty bad argument.

Why would the BCS want to change their system unless it stopped people from complaining? It provides amazing games (USC vs Texas, Boise vs. Oklahoma, OSU vs. Miami) makes a shit ton of money and people come to the games, watch the games, and enjoy themselves. Other than a very loud vocal minority, they have no reason to change. If the bitching would continue after they implemented a playoff, why change to begin with?

If you take something like 12 teams, the bitching from teams left out (like #13 or #14) would be illogical. The bitching right now, is VERY logical, especially when all the undefeated teams are ranked in the top 10, with no way to determine who is the best of them. If you're #13, with one loss or more, you're bitching is just that. bitching. If you're #3, undefeated, and the only reason you havent moved up is because the SYSTEM WON'T ALLOW YOU, you're "bitching" is quite justified. Again, tell me who the better team is out of the 5 undefeated teams left? Can you?