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May 23, 2012 8:23 PM
ts1227;1179972 wrote:Plus cigarettes are the easiest tax grab there is... the retards will pay whatever price is put on them. No government is going to shut that off.
That can be said about anything that is taxed. Food, alcohol, etc.
May 23, 2012 8:23pm
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May 23, 2012 8:30 PM
dlazz;1180005 wrote:That can be said about anything that is taxed. Food, alcohol, etc.
Yes, but they haven't tacked the taxes onto any of them in a fashion that is anywhere close to what they do to smokes.
May 23, 2012 8:30pm
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May 23, 2012 8:48 PM
FatHobbit;1179859 wrote:As long as cigarettes are legal I think the ban is a huge abuse of govt power. But I also really enjoy going out and not having to smell smoke everywhere.
So drinking and driving should be legal?
May 23, 2012 8:48pm
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May 23, 2012 9:18 PM
WebFire;1180022 wrote:So drinking and driving should be legal?
Unfair comparison...again.
May 23, 2012 9:18pm
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May 23, 2012 9:25 PM
Governments job is to make sure public saftey comes first, and in this case, they have done that. Just because it is on private property doesnt mean smoking isnt hurting the public. Same type of thing they have done with standards of kitchens, food being clean and cooked properly, etc.
May 23, 2012 9:25pm
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May 23, 2012 9:42 PM
dlazz;1180060 wrote:Unfair comparison...again.
Again? It's my first post in the thread.

What's unfair?
May 23, 2012 9:42pm
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May 23, 2012 9:42 PM
hoops23;1179866 wrote:
If you want to smoke, fine. But respect those around you and stay at home.

If you don't want to smell smoke, fine. But respect those around you and stay at home.

It sounds just as ridiculous both ways.
vball10set;1179970 wrote:Out of curiosity, why?
Not putting words in his mouth, but because the owner of the establishment should maintain the right to allow smoking. If he does and loses business, that's his own decision.
May 23, 2012 9:42pm
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May 23, 2012 9:45 PM
WebFire;1180116 wrote:Again? It's my first post in the thread.

What's unfair?
Drinking and driving can cause immediate harm to you and you don't have a choice. Smoking doesn't. Even second hand smoke you can see and avoid if necessary.
May 23, 2012 9:45pm
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May 23, 2012 9:45 PM
pnhasbeen;1180118 wrote:If you don't want to smell smoke, fine. But respect those around you and stay at home.

It sounds just as ridiculous both ways.
Not really. Smoking impinges on the well-being of others. But that's not true the other way around.
May 23, 2012 9:45pm
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May 23, 2012 9:46 PM
pnhasbeen;1180121 wrote:Drinking and driving can cause immediate harm to you and you don't have a choice. Smoking doesn't. Even second hand smoke you can see and avoid if necessary.
So one slowly harms you, so it's ok? :confused:
May 23, 2012 9:46pm
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May 23, 2012 9:46 PM
WebFire;1180125 wrote:Not really. Smoking impinges on the well-being of others. But that's not true the other way around.
Driving drunk and hitting a car and killing someone is impinging on the well-being of others.
May 23, 2012 9:46pm
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May 23, 2012 9:47 PM
pnhasbeen;1180130 wrote:Driving drunk and hitting a car and killing someone is impinging on the well-being of others.
Which is why it's illegal. See how that works?
May 23, 2012 9:47pm
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May 23, 2012 9:47 PM
WebFire;1180127 wrote:So one slowly harms you, so it's ok? :confused:
Again, if someone is smoking outside a restaurant, you have the choice to not go to that restaurant and avoid the smoking.
Getting hit by a drunk driver isn't someone you can choose to avoid, it just happens.
May 23, 2012 9:47pm
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May 23, 2012 9:48 PM
pnhasbeen;1180121 wrote:Drinking and driving can cause immediate harm to you and you don't have a choice. Smoking doesn't. Even second hand smoke you can see and avoid if necessary.
The reason I used that example was because Fat said it should be legal because cigarettes are. It wasn't to compare the 2 actions. It was just a poor defense on his part.
May 23, 2012 9:48pm
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May 23, 2012 9:48 PM
pnhasbeen;1180132 wrote:Again, if someone is smoking outside a restaurant, you have the choice to not go to that restaurant and avoid the smoking.
Getting hit by a drunk driver isn't someone you can choose to avoid, it just happens.
I guess we can choose to walk and not drive. :rolleyes:
May 23, 2012 9:48pm
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May 23, 2012 9:49 PM
WebFire;1180135 wrote:The reason I used that example was because Fat said it should be legal because cigarettes are. It wasn't to compare the 2 actions. It was just a poor defense on his part.
I interpreted his remark as saying if cigarettes are legal, it should be the owner of the establishment's decision to allow or not allow. Similar to allowing or not allowing alcohol.
May 23, 2012 9:49pm
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May 23, 2012 9:50 PM
Prostitution should be legal. You can see a hooker and walk the other way.
May 23, 2012 9:50pm
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May 23, 2012 9:51 PM
WebFire;1180145 wrote:Prostitution should be legal. You can see a hooker and walk the other way.
Agreed. Why isn't it legal? Religion?
May 23, 2012 9:51pm
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May 23, 2012 9:51 PM
pnhasbeen;1180140 wrote:I interpreted his remark as saying if cigarettes are legal, it should be the owner of the establishment's decision to allow or not allow. Similar to allowing or not allowing alcohol.
But sitting in the bar next to someone with a drink has no affect on me whatsover.
May 23, 2012 9:51pm
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May 23, 2012 9:51 PM
WebFire;1180137 wrote:I guess we can choose to walk and not drive. :rolleyes:
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You're not defending the point. I own hasbeen's cafe. I allow smoking right outside my entrance. The patrons who are smoking aren't being impolite, I am. I allow it. If you choose not to dine at my cafe, I lose business. If you do, you have to deal with my decision to allow smoking.
May 23, 2012 9:51pm
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May 23, 2012 9:51 PM
DeyDurkie5;1180149 wrote:Agreed. Why isn't it legal? Religion?
I've always wondered myself.
May 23, 2012 9:51pm
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May 23, 2012 9:52 PM
WebFire;1180150 wrote:But sitting in the bar next to someone with a drink has no affect on me whatsover.
if it did, would you bitch about it? Saying you have more of a right to be there than he does?
May 23, 2012 9:52pm
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May 23, 2012 9:53 PM
pnhasbeen;1180151 wrote::thumbup:

You're not defending the point. I own hasbeen's cafe. I allow smoking right outside my entrance. The patrons who are smoking aren't being impolite, I am. I allow it. If you choose not to dine at my cafe, I lose business. If you do, you have to deal with my decision to allow smoking.
Personally, I think there should only be a ban for places that serve food. But many/most bars do anyway, it seems.
May 23, 2012 9:53pm
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May 23, 2012 9:53 PM
pnhasbeen;1180156 wrote:if it did, would you bitch about it? Saying you have more of a right to be there than he does?
If it directly affected my health and my right to enjoy the establishment? Yes.
May 23, 2012 9:53pm
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May 23, 2012 9:54 PM
WebFire;1180158 wrote:Personally, I think there should only be a ban for places that serve food. But many/most bars do anyway, it seems.
that's reasonable. But as long as the smoke isn't near the cooking and there are sections, like most restaurants used to do, I don't think it should matter.
May 23, 2012 9:54pm