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May 19, 2012 11:38pm
i would pitts in a class by themselves and then quite away down the list rots, then a big jump to whoever is next.bigkahuna;1176142 wrote:I'm not going to disagree with that because I know they are a more aggressive breed by nature. I would put pitt bulls, rots, and boxers in the same category. Proper training and monitoring will fix a lot of these problems.
LJ
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May 19, 2012 11:40pm
WebFire;1176151 wrote:I agree. Almost all media coverage of these deaths contains "I don't understand. Spot was such a loving dog."
LOL. He only likes chasing the mailman, was intact and HATED when johnny would always poke him with a stick.
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WebFire
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May 19, 2012 11:40pm
Yes.LJ;1176146 wrote:Oh?
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WebFire
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May 19, 2012 11:41pm
Oh?LJ;1176155 wrote:LOL. He only likes chasing the mailman, was intact and HATED when johnny would always poke him with a stick.
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May 19, 2012 11:42pm
talk about a self fulfilling prophecy, a dog kills a kid, it must be the owner's. Why because it can not be the dog's fault.
why is that true, well one once licked my hand, so they must be nice.
Well it is the owner's fault in one way, they brought a killer into their home.
why is that true, well one once licked my hand, so they must be nice.
Well it is the owner's fault in one way, they brought a killer into their home.
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WebFire
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May 19, 2012 11:44pm
They have a higher rate of bad owners because they attract the thugs that want a tough dog that in turn makes them tough.LJ;1176144 wrote:Nope. Just think they are stronger and have ahigher rate of bad owners.
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May 19, 2012 11:44pm
them damn irritating babies, they just got what they deserved.LJ;1176155 wrote:LOL. He only likes chasing the mailman, was intact and HATED when johnny would always poke him with a stick.
LJ
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May 19, 2012 11:45pm
WebFire;1176157 wrote:Oh?
My wife sees about 300 dogs per month. Out of the vicious ones she sees (no mean bullys btw) the owners almost always say that the dog is an angel and never acts like that. Sorry, but I take most peoples word on their dogs temperment with a grain of salt.
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WebFire
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May 19, 2012 11:45pm
So why would someone want to choose this breed to bring into their home with children, when it needs special attention and extra monitoring to not hurt anyone?bigkahuna;1176142 wrote:I'm not going to disagree with that because I know they are a more aggressive breed by nature. I would put pitt bulls, rots, and boxers in the same category. Proper training and monitoring will fix a lot of these problems.
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WebFire
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May 19, 2012 11:46pm
And like I said...LJ;1176162 wrote:My wife sees about 300 dogs per month. Out of the vicious ones she sees (no mean bullys btw) the owners almost always say that the dog is an angel and never acts like that. Sorry, but I take most peoples word on their dogs temperment with a grain of salt.
Headline: Pit bull unexpectedly attacks and kills boy
Owner quote: "He was such a loving dog. He'd never hurt anyone."
Until he killed your kid.
LJ
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May 19, 2012 11:47pm
WebFire;1176160 wrote:They have a higher rate of bad owners because they attract the thugs that want a tough dog that in turn makes them tough
This is true. that isnt the dogs fault. When was the last time you saw a dog pick their owner?
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WebFire
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May 19, 2012 11:48pm
So we can quit the debate that pit bulls are nice dogs that would never hurt anyone. As you see so often from those defending them.LJ;1176166 wrote:This is true. that isnt the dogs fault. When was the last time you saw a dog pick their owner?
LJ
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May 19, 2012 11:49pm
WebFire;1176163 wrote:So why would someone want to choose this breed to bring into their home with children, when it needs special attention and extra monitoring to not hurt anyone?
No dog should ever be left alone with a baby.
Also, certain dogs like herding dogs, gsds and bully breed need owners who can be firm with the dog. Coincidentally, these same dogs also test the highest in intelligence and temperment tests.
LJ
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May 19, 2012 11:51pm
WebFire;1176168 wrote:So we can quit the debate that pit bulls are nice dogs that would never hurt anyone. As you see so often from those defending them.
Wut?
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WebFire
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May 19, 2012 11:51pm
I don't disagree. But yet they are. And pits have a higher rate of attacking, or at least killing, than other breeds.LJ;1176169 wrote:No dog should ever be left alone with a baby.
So even though no breed should be left alone with a child, that doesn't negate that pits are more aggressive attackers than their counterparts.
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bigkahuna
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May 19, 2012 11:51pm
You're smarter than that.WebFire;1176149 wrote:\\
Comparing inanimate object to dogs?
You know that the point I was making. "Accidental" deaths like drowning, shootings, dog attacks... on children can be prevented, if the parents were to pay attention to their children.
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WebFire
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May 19, 2012 11:51pm
Did I stutter?LJ;1176172 wrote:Wut?
LJ
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May 19, 2012 11:52pm
WebFire;1176164 wrote:And like I said...
Headline: Pit bull unexpectedly attacks and kills boy
Owner quote: "He was such a loving dog. He'd never hurt anyone."
Until he killed your kid.
Yep. Stupid owners lead to dead babies.
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WebFire
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May 19, 2012 11:52pm
Your point is moot. Guns can't kill without a human using it. Dogs can.bigkahuna;1176175 wrote:You're smarter than that.
You know that the point I was making. "Accidental" deaths like drowning, shootings, dog attacks... on children can be prevented, if the parents were to pay attention to their children.
Comparing inanimate objects to living objects is a terrible argument. You're smarter than that.
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WebFire
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May 19, 2012 11:53pm
Stupid owners plus vicious breeds lead to dead babies.LJ;1176177 wrote:Yep. Stupid owners lead to dead babies.
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May 19, 2012 11:54pm
i would really like to see a study done to see if pit bulls just naturally draw twisted an flawed owners.\
of course if that were true it would be another argument for restricting ownership
but until that study is completed and we have so many cases showing no obvious sign that owners are responsible for the attack, we come back to the fact that the dogs kill human especially little ones much more often than any other breed.
of course if that were true it would be another argument for restricting ownership
but until that study is completed and we have so many cases showing no obvious sign that owners are responsible for the attack, we come back to the fact that the dogs kill human especially little ones much more often than any other breed.
LJ
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May 19, 2012 11:54pm
WebFire;1176174 wrote:I don't disagree. But yet they are. And pits have a higher rate of attacking, or at least killing, than other breeds.
So even though no breed should be left alone with a child, that doesn't negate that pits are more aggressive attackers than their counterparts.
They have a higher amount of fatalities, yes, but they are not more likely to attack.
And i wouldnt say more aggressive, they are just stronger.
LJ
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May 19, 2012 11:55pm
WebFire;1176176 wrote:Did I stutter?
Yes. Make some sense please.
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WebFire
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May 19, 2012 11:56pm
Stronger wouldn't matter if they weren't attacking. Dogs run loose around the neighborhood all the time. They don't attack.LJ;1176182 wrote:They have a higher amount of fatalities, yes, but they are not more likely to attack.
And i wouldnt say more aggressive, they are just stronger.
LJ
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May 19, 2012 11:56pm
WebFire;1176180 wrote:Stupid owners plus vicious breeds lead to dead babies.
Bullys are not a vicious breed.