sleeper
Posts: 27,879
May 3, 2012 9:57am
Cut the safety net. Behaviors change. People go to work to feed their kids.isadore;1160931 wrote:an Bill gates children are not starving which like all your statements proves nothing. Cut the safety net, significantly reduce it= mass suffering ensues. starvation does not build character.
That means you, isadore, will have to go to work like the rest of us. Time to grow up.
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isadore
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May 3, 2012 10:33am
when true economic catastrophe struck in the Great Depression the states were found wanting. And so many are in situations that short term benefits will not save.WebFire;1160977 wrote:I think that's because of what it has become. If we had very simple, short-term benefits, I'd be fine with some. And most of that should come at the state level.
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isadore
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May 3, 2012 10:36am
of course I can, and the fact that Bill Gates can feed his kids says nothing about the economic problems of tens of millions of Americans and more specifically of 15 million American children. There is nothing extreme about describing the goal of Republican social policy.jmog;1160989 wrote:You really can't condemn someone else's logic, even when it was bad like sleeper's, when you use extremes like your bolded statement. That is about as illogical as it possibly could be.
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isadore
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May 3, 2012 10:39am
yes cut the safety net and people will be dumpster diving then see their kids develop malnutrition.sleeper;1161041 wrote:Cut the safety net. Behaviors change. People go to work to feed their kids.
That means you, isadore, will have to go to work like the rest of us. Time to grow up.
i gotta a job, 2nd assistant french frier at mcd. and i am about to finish my ged.
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WebFire
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May 3, 2012 10:44am
Sorry about their luck. This nation was built on opportunity, not living long term sucking on the government's tit.isadore;1161087 wrote:when true economic catastrophe struck in the Great Depression the states were found wanting. And so many are in situations that short term benefits will not save.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
May 3, 2012 10:47am
Exactly. You don't deserve anything, couldn't even graduate high school.isadore;1161093 wrote:yes cut the safety net and people will be dumpster diving then see their kids develop malnutrition.
i gotta a job, 2nd assistant french frier at mcd. and i am about to finish my ged.
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isadore
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May 3, 2012 2:31pm
the nation was built on many things, most positve, some negative including slave labor in all 13 colonies. From the start some were denied opportunity and that continues. In terms of social mobility, the true measurement of opportunity, we are far down the list among developed nations. The nations above us all do a better job of providing for their citizens.WebFire;1161102 wrote:Sorry about their luck. This nation was built on opportunity, not living long term sucking on the government's tit.
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isadore
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May 3, 2012 2:32pm
but I married well so I am covered.sleeper;1161109 wrote:Exactly. You don't deserve anything, couldn't even graduate high school.
sleeper
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May 3, 2012 2:33pm
Social mobility is a stupid idea/terminology. I want to raise the pot for everyone, not give free stuff to the lazy poor.isadore;1161419 wrote:the nation was built on many things, most positve, some negative including slave labor in all 13 colonies. From the start some were denied opportunity and that continues. In terms of social mobility, the true measurement of opportunity, we are far down the list among developed nations. The nations above us all do a better job of providing for their citizens.
sleeper
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May 3, 2012 2:33pm
Prayers to your husband.isadore;1161421 wrote:but I married well so I am covered.
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isadore
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May 3, 2012 3:44pm
LOL "I want to raise the pot for everyone."sleeper;1161423 wrote:Social mobility is a stupid idea/terminology. I want to raise the pot for everyone, not give free stuff to the lazy poor.
unbelieveable.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
May 3, 2012 3:45pm
Don't get that confused with raising marijuana. The poor will do that anyway, even if you gave them more money they'd piss it away on illegal drugs.isadore;1161556 wrote:LOL "I want to raise the pot for everyone."
unbelieveable.
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WebFire
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May 3, 2012 3:53pm
At what cost?isadore;1161419 wrote:The nations above us all do a better job of providing for their citizens.
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isadore
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May 3, 2012 3:55pm
shame, shame, shame dealing in stereotypessleeper;1161559 wrote:Don't get that confused with raising marijuana. The poor will do that anyway, even if you gave them more money they'd piss it away on illegal drugs.
sleeper
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May 3, 2012 3:56pm
Like stereotyping the rich as having no heart. Shame shame shame. Let me know when you get a job.isadore;1161575 wrote:shame, shame, shame dealing in stereotypes
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isadore
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May 3, 2012 3:56pm
at whatever it takes to provide for the general welfare.WebFire;1161574 wrote:At what cost?
sleeper
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May 3, 2012 3:56pm
What if its 10000 trillion?isadore;1161578 wrote:at whatever it takes to provide for the general welfare.
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isadore
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May 3, 2012 3:57pm
when you act to benefit yourself at the expense of those in need, you lack a heart.sleeper;1161577 wrote:Like stereotyping the rich as having no heart. Shame shame shame. Let me know when you get a job.
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WebFire
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May 3, 2012 3:57pm
Dumb.isadore;1161578 wrote:at whatever it takes to provide for the general welfare.
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isadore
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May 3, 2012 3:58pm
then we would able to supply everyone with that million dollars you want to give them. I think that is about your plan would cost.sleeper;1161579 wrote:What if its 10000 trillion?
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
May 3, 2012 3:59pm
So the farmer making food to sell at a price higher than what it costs him to make to feed his family lacks a heart?isadore;1161580 wrote:when you act to benefit yourself at the expense of those in need, you lack a heart.
Geez. Isadore, if none of us worked like you, who would pay for your socialistic paradise?
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isadore
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May 3, 2012 3:59pm
I am sorry, I was quoting from the Constitution about what we the people considered to be the duties of the government we were ordaining for our representative democracy.WebFire;1161581 wrote:Dumb.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
May 3, 2012 3:59pm
And prices would adjust accordingly. Bread would cost $1000000 dollars a loaf and people would still complain that the rich aren't paying their fair share.isadore;1161584 wrote:then we would able to supply everyone with that million dollars you want to give them. I think that is about your plan would cost.
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gut
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May 3, 2012 4:00pm
Kind of my feelings about the BS whining about outsorucing. That is, if you genuinely care about REAL human suffering.isadore;1161580 wrote:when you act to benefit yourself at the expense of those in need, you lack a heart.
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isadore
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May 3, 2012 4:01pm
since I work and many of the poor work hence the term "working poor" we all contribute as we can to providing for the general welfare of our nation.sleeper;1161585 wrote:So the farmer making food to sell at a price higher than what it costs him to make to feed his family lacks a heart?
Geez. Isadore, if none of us worked like you, who would pay for your socialistic paradise?