sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Apr 24, 2012 9:36am
God mostly certainly controls your life. Go lie to your parents, can't. Talk about another god, can't. You have rules to follow by, rules in which you don't follow you will not get rewarded.Con_Alma;1151296 wrote:???
What? Te last thing I want is something to control my life. I make things ok in the end and I do that by choosing to accept Christ. Someone or something else doesn't control my life.
This decisions doesn't come from weakness but desire.
It also means when something bad happens, you have a blanket of comfort that it was part of God's plan, so God knows what he is doing. It's a way to cope with life's ups and downs. It's akin to telling your kids cancer is Captain Hook inside you and Peter Pan will come rescue you! It's a lie, but it will give your kid a delusional view to help them cope.
Go ahead and ruin the intellectual integrity of your own kin, but keep it out of the government and keep it out of my life.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Apr 24, 2012 9:38am
If you accept him, then you are part of God's plan. If there is a plan, you don't have control over your life.fish82;1151387 wrote:LOL...I'd hate to see you tear a rotator cuff with a reach like that, bro. :rolleyes:
Not a difficult concept.
Skyhook79
Posts: 5,739
Apr 24, 2012 9:40am
The number is closer to 16,000. 2 of each "kind" were taken not every single animal.sleeper;1151383 wrote:God created all creepy things that crawleth etc. He does talk about creating animals. Same with Noah. It wasn't just Noah on the Ark, it was him and 60 million animals, which is totally factually according to jmog. Which is hilarious.
Raw Dawgin' it
Posts: 11,466
Apr 24, 2012 9:40am
lol ok - What's the point of accepting jesus or religion is you don't live your life by his teachings. You clearly don't accept it if it has no influence over you.fish82;1151387 wrote:LOL...I'd hate to see you tear a rotator cuff with a reach like that, bro. :rolleyes:
Skyhook79
Posts: 5,739
Apr 24, 2012 9:41am
You are part of God's plan whether you accept him or not.sleeper;1151391 wrote:If you accept him, then you are part of God's plan. If there is a plan, you don't have control over your life.
Not a difficult concept.
Raw Dawgin' it
Posts: 11,466
Apr 24, 2012 9:41am
thissleeper;1151391 wrote:If you accept him, then you are part of God's plan. If there is a plan, you don't have control over your life.
Not a difficult concept.
Raw Dawgin' it
Posts: 11,466
Apr 24, 2012 9:41am
lol why because the bible says so? You can't quote a book as truth not everyone believe in.Skyhook79;1151398 wrote:You are part of God's plan whether you accept him or not.
Skyhook79
Posts: 5,739
Apr 24, 2012 9:42am
'Raw Dawgin' it;1151396 wrote:lol ok - What's the point of accepting jesus or religion is you don't live your life by his teachings. You clearly don't accept it if it has no influence over you.
Influence and control are 2 different things and is why I asked for a definition of control and probably why you wouldn't give one.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Apr 24, 2012 9:43am
Right. LOLSkyhook79;1151395 wrote:The number is closer to 16,000. 2 of each "kind" were taken not every single animal.
I'd still love to see how you can have 32,000 animals on a boat for 40 days and not have this documented in any other book besides the Bible. There's no evidence of a global flood, and there never will be.
Enjoy!
Raw Dawgin' it
Posts: 11,466
Apr 24, 2012 9:43am
lol lets see how we can twist the definition of words to make our argument seem less ridiculous than it already isSkyhook79;1151395 wrote:The number is closer to 16,000. 2 of each "kind" were taken not every single animal.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Apr 24, 2012 9:43am
So none of us have a choice. Free will is irrelevant.Skyhook79;1151398 wrote:You are part of God's plan whether you accept him or not.
Not a difficult concept.
Skyhook79
Posts: 5,739
Apr 24, 2012 9:43am
It wasn't 32,000 it was around 16,000.sleeper;1151402 wrote:Right. LOL
I'd still love to see how you can have 32,000 animals on a boat for 40 days and not have this documented in any other book besides the Bible. There's no evidence of a global flood, and there never will be.
Enjoy!
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Apr 24, 2012 9:44am
It's not Jonah and the whale, it says Large Fish!Raw Dawgin' it;1151403 wrote:lol lets see how we can twist the definition of words to make our argument seem less ridiculous than it already is
Raw Dawgin' it
Posts: 11,466
Apr 24, 2012 9:44am
God has a plan for you? he controls your life. He influences your decisions because of his plan - YOUR life is already written out for you and nothing you do is your own free willSkyhook79;1151401 wrote:'
Influence and control are 2 different things and is why I asked for a definition of control and probably why you wouldn't give one.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Apr 24, 2012 9:45am
16,000 animals on a boat for 40 days on a global flood that never happened. No other book besides the Bible has documented this event. There's no evidence of a flood and there never will be.Skyhook79;1151405 wrote:It wasn't 32,000 it was around 16,000.
Skyhook79
Posts: 5,739
Apr 24, 2012 9:47am
He gives you the tools to make wise choices. He knows how you are going to choose but in no way does he make you choose a certain way or choose for you. You may not agree with it but many do. Choose for yourself who you will serve and follow.Raw Dawgin' it;1151409 wrote:God has a plan for you? he controls your life. He influences your decisions because of his plan - YOUR life is already written out for you and nothing you do is your own free will
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Apr 24, 2012 9:48am
This thread is exhibit A why I don't engage in rational discussion with believers. People get pissed at me for degrading religion, but that's what I've found more effective.
You can't fix stupid, but you can call them frauds, and you can take that to the bank.
You can't fix stupid, but you can call them frauds, and you can take that to the bank.
Raw Dawgin' it
Posts: 11,466
Apr 24, 2012 9:50am
not choosing for yourself - nice contradiction. If you're serving and following, you're not a leading making your own choices.Skyhook79;1151417 wrote:He gives you the tools to make wise choices. He knows how you are going to choose but in no way does he make you choose a certain way or choose for you. You may not agree with it but many do. Choose for yourself who you will serve and follow.
Skyhook79
Posts: 5,739
Apr 24, 2012 9:50am
http://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=the+lost+ship+of+noah&tag=googhydr-20&index=stripbooks&hvadid=7014343037&hvpos=1t1&hvexid=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=83239093895311546&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=b&ref=pd_sl_6vr7wt7y0_bsleeper;1151412 wrote:16,000 animals on a boat for 40 days on a global flood that never happened. No other book besides the Bible has documented this event. There's no evidence of a flood and there never will be.
fish82
Posts: 4,111
Apr 24, 2012 9:51am
Are there other subjects that you don't know shit about that you like to pontificate endlessly on, or is this the only one? :rolleyes:sleeper;1151391 wrote:If you accept him, then you are part of God's plan. If there is a plan, you don't have control over your life.
Not a difficult concept.
Skyhook79
Posts: 5,739
Apr 24, 2012 9:52am
Not a contradiction at all. I choose to follow Jesus, you choose to not follow Jesus. Both are our own choices.Raw Dawgin' it;1151420 wrote:not choosing for yourself - nice contradiction. If you're serving and following, you're not a leading making your own choices.
fish82
Posts: 4,111
Apr 24, 2012 9:52am
Loves me some irony.sleeper;1151418 wrote:This thread is exhibit A why I don't engage in rational discussion with believers. People get pissed at me for degrading religion, but that's what I've found more effective.
You can't fix stupid, but you can call them frauds, and you can take that to the bank.
Raw Dawgin' it
Posts: 11,466
Apr 24, 2012 9:59am
Derrp - except you follow, serve, and have a plan set out for you - I don't because i have free will to do what i want.Skyhook79;1151426 wrote:Not a contradiction at all. I choose to follow Jesus, you choose to not follow Jesus. Both are our own choices.
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enigmaax
Posts: 4,511
Apr 24, 2012 10:26am
"to exercise restraint or direction over; dominate; command."Skyhook79;1151401 wrote:'
Influence and control are 2 different things and is why I asked for a definition of control and probably why you wouldn't give one.
Why don't you want to admit that you are controlled by your religion? Aren't you supposed to be a servant, as in, you do what God/Jesus/Whoever says? That is called control.
OSH
Posts: 4,145
Apr 24, 2012 10:31am
Oh really?Raw Dawgin' it;1151400 wrote:lol why because the bible says so? You can't quote a book as truth not everyone believe in.
So that means all the atheistic and agnostic arguments have nothing to stand on. Dawkins' words mean nothing. Scientists have no authority either. Not everyone believes in them, so there is no credibility.
Thanks for clearing that up! :thumbup: