Can't imagine Sully staying, and I think Thomas may go as well.

se-alum;1134440 wrote:Can't imagine Sully staying, and I think Thomas may go as well.

I saw Bob Bapist on twitter saying that people close to Thomas said his decision would be heavily based off of his Final Four perfomance.

I think Sullinger is gone. I agree with everyone who says he can't improve his stock. But I also agree he can't hurt it, either. Teams know what they're getting...an undersized, not overly athletic, fundamentally sound big body with a developing outside game. I love Sully to death, but I just don't see him being very significant at the next level unless he commits himself to changing his body and going full throttle in a weight room. He needs to add some explosion and quickness if he's going to last at the next level. I hope he does that because I'd love to see him prove everyone wrong at the next level.

The realist in me knows he's probably gone, but the Buckeye in me hopes he's one of those rare kids who wants to leave a profound legacy at the collegiate level. If he were to come back next season with DT and win a National Title, he'd instantly become one of Ohio's all time favorite sons. But you can never fault a kid for chasing professional dreams and bettering his and his family's financial well-being.

Nobody thought Kevin Love was going to be a great pro and look at him. I'd like to see Sully come back, wipe the stupid ass looks off his face, quit bitching at officials while the other team is running a fast break right by him, and just play mentally tougher.

If he is going to be a pro player..he needs to shoot 40% from 3 point range in college. Those are the mid range jumpers he will have to hit if he is going to be successful in the NBA. The best way for him to develop those skills...is in the NBA where you can practice with coaches 40 hours a week year round.

the draft seems to be more about a player's potential than their production recently, imo. seems like the longer a player stays in school, the more scouts see and the less mystical potential they have.

also, while watching the osu game at indiana the tv announces said this would likely be thomas' only opportunity to play at iu as he is projected to be a high draft pick this year. that was pretty early in the season, not sure he's done anything to decrease his standing since

I don't think everyone is sold on him at the NBA level.

And they never will be.

buh-bye

TBone14;1134462 wrote:The best way for him to develop those skills...is in the NBA where you can practice with coaches 40 hours a week year round.

He isn't going to develop those skills against NBA talent. He needs to do it against college-level players.

dlazz;1134663 wrote:He isn't going to develop those skills against NBA talent. He needs to do it against college-level players.

Wrong.

Automatik;1134708 wrote:Wrong.

That's like teaching someone to drive in rush-hour traffic.

Automatik;1134708 wrote:Wrong.

Yeah, Kosta Koufus learned in the NBA.

hoops23;1134747 wrote:Yeah, Kosta Koufus learned in the NBA.

Mike Conley sure did.

IMO it depends on the player and a lot of it is mental. When you get to the NBA, bball is your JOB. I don't see how staying at OSU will help Sully's game anymore than playing with and against PROS on a daily basis.

Automatik;1134752 wrote:Mike Conley sure did.

IMO it depends on the player and a lot of it is mental. When you get to the NBA, bball is your JOB. I don't see how staying at OSU will help Sully's game anymore than playing with and against PROS on a daily basis.

He's not mature enough as a player yet. Throwing hissy fits when you don't get fouled doesn't get you anywhere now, and it won't get you anywhere in the NBA either (except T'd up)

dlazz;1134756 wrote:He's not mature enough as a player yet. Throwing hissy fits when you don't get fouled doesn't get you anywhere now, and it won't get you anywhere in the NBA either (except T'd up)

That's not gonna change in college.

dlazz;1134756 wrote:He's not mature enough as a player yet. Throwing hissy fits when you don't get fouled doesn't get you anywhere now, and it won't get you anywhere in the NBA either (except T'd up)

Have you seen some of the jackasses that have gone pro early? Sully will be fine.

Automatik;1134752 wrote:Mike Conley sure did.

IMO it depends on the player and a lot of it is mental. When you get to the NBA, bball is your JOB. I don't see how staying at OSU will help Sully's game anymore than playing with and against PROS on a daily basis.

I'm not saying it will either way. I just think it's a bit stupid to say that going to the NBA will improve your game. We've seen that's not always the case.

And you can't compare Mike Conley to Sully. Mike is a PG who had amazing speed. Sully literally does nothing great, but does several things good.

Conley fit the NBA game because of his style and he improved his outside shooting. I don't think a team wants to draft Sully for him to stand and shoot 3 pointers.

I've said all along that Sully was Sean May 2.0, but that was being disrespectful to May. Sully isn't on his level.

Also, Daequan Cook left early.. Didn't really help his game. He's basically a 3 point specialist, and an average one at best.

Thats why I said it depends on the player. I believe his college ceiling is at the highest it will get. Staying won't help his game or make his bank account fatter. I'd be gone.

If Sully can establish a consistent mid range shot, like I'm always hearing he has, I think he'll be a solid player, but never a star.

Automatik;1134773 wrote:Thats why I said it depends on the player. I believe his college ceiling is at the highest it will get. Staying won't help his game or make his bank account fatter. I'd be gone.

If Sully can establish a consistent mid range shot, like I'm always hearing he has, I think he'll be a solid player, but never a star.

That's why I think with another big on the floor he has the potential to increase his stock by showcasing it a little bit. He'll go, I have little doubt, but most realize his potential on the short jumper is there anyway.

ccrunner609;1134970 wrote:He will get abused in the NBA.....who is he gonna guard? Small forwards will take him to the perimeter and run right past him or big men will cruch him inside. He will never have meaningfull minutes on the offensive end.

Why would he ever play the 3 and have to guard a 3?

As a fan, I think Sully should stay and enjoy at least 1 more year while playing next to Amir Williams and maybe increasing his stock by displaying more of a jumpshot/skill moves.

If I was Sully however, I'd have been gone last season. No way would I have passed up being a top 4 or 5 pick and guaranteed millions.

gyea36;1134486 wrote:the draft seems to be more about a player's potential than their production recently, imo. seems like the longer a player stays in school, the more scouts see and the less mystical potential they have.

also, while watching the osu game at indiana the tv announces said this would likely be thomas' only opportunity to play at iu as he is projected to be a high draft pick this year. that was pretty early in the season, not sure he's done anything to decrease his standing since

The few mock drafts that I have seen don't have him drafted at all. I found a 2013 mock draft with him going in the late first round. He would be stupid to leave.

Also, Daequan Cook left early.. Didn't really help his game. He's basically a 3 point specialist, and an average one at best.

Would his game be any different had he stayed a couple of more years?

On Mike and Mike this morning some "experts" had Sullinger as high as the 3rd player taken behind Davis and Robinson. I think that is too high for both Sully and Robinson (who in my opinion is no better than Sullinger) I would guess maybe mid 1st round or at best late in the lottery picks, but although I would like to see him stay, he should go get paid as he will not improve his draft position by staying another year. Thanks for the memories, but it's time to move on.

Skills, it's close.

Have you compared Robinson's physique and athleticism with Sullinger's?

Robinson looks like he could be a defensive end. He's one of the most jacked bball players I've seen in college in a while.