gut;1133099 wrote:If they're innocent, absolutely. If not, that's another issue entirely.

2kool4skool;1132769 wrote: Most of the country treats politics like a team sport, rooting for their side and believing the opposition are "the bad guys" despite not actually knowing anything about the issues.

isadore;1133140 wrote:lol

gut;1133090 wrote:Bull****. They get a FREE defense from a lawyer who's education was paid for by the rich taxpayers of America. Here's a reality check for you- 99.9% of truly innocent people never even get arrested. 99.9% of those who do likely don't even need a lawyer to get off. Actual innocent people going to jail each year can probably be counted on your fingers and toes. Most of it is plea bargained, anyway. And, yeah, the public lawyer gets you some ****ty deals but ultimately you're guilty and the deal is within the sentencing standards.

Seeing someone like OJ skate is not proof of inadequate defense for the poor but rather a flawed legal system in which enough resources is able to parade enough experts to create reasonable doubt in a rather ignorant jury. That is not some standard or ideal to advocate for everyone but rather something that should be fixed.

gut;1133164 wrote:What's so funny? Black,white,yellow, red -I don't know anyone that's ever been busted for a crime they didn't commit...and none of them are in the 1%. Or, to be more accurate, I don't know people who commit crimes nor people who've been arrested for crimes they didn't commit.

It's kind of like Travon Martin in that white people or the 1% are supposed to feel some sort of guilt or inequity because of an exception here and there. The whole victim mentality is as repulsive as it is self-fulfilling.

isadore;1133168 wrote:1. Rich people are not the only people who pay taxes or even the majority of taxes.

2. Poor People get legal defense from lawyers whose training was paid for completely by rich people’s taxes. Do you have a source for this statement? I think it is incorrect.

3. The actual number of innocent people going to jail eachyear would be 20 or less. Do you have a source for this statement? I think it is much higher than that.

4. Poor people deserve good competent representation in both criminal and CIVIL cases.

5. You support a system that allows rich people to &#8220arade experts to create reasonable doubt,” so they can avoid punishment for their crimes while the poor go to jail.

isadore;1133168 wrote: Rich people are not the only people who pay taxes or even the majority of taxes.

isadore;1133168 wrote: Poor people deserve good competent representation in both criminal and CIVIL cases.

isadore;1133034 wrote:right a poor person has the same chance in court as one of the 1%

Al Bundy;1133190 wrote:I am not sure where you are separating rich and poor...

gut;1133182 wrote:LMFAO at that ignorant bull****


Subsidized student loans. See above. No source needed.


Fair enough. Provide statistics proving me wrong.


Agreed. Provide statistics proving they don't. Ever hear of contigency?


No I don't. I never said that. I merely pointed out the extremely ignorant proposition implied by you that "poor" people deserve benefit of the same flaw in the legal system. That's just retarded.

gut wrote: Only the rich should be responsible and accountable for their actions.

fan_from_texas;1133196 wrote:Are you saying the poor people on juries are biased against poor defendants? Seems like a good reason to blame the rich.

Al Bundy;1133190 wrote:I am not sure where you are separating rich and poor, but only about half of the people in the country pay income tax. Poor people get a free defense in criminal cases, and they get representation in civil cases because the lawyers get a percent of the settlement.

Al Bundy;1133190 wrote:I am not sure where you are separating rich and poor, but only about half of the people in the country pay income tax. Poor people get a free defense in criminal cases, and they get representation in civil cases because the lawyers get a percent of the settlement.

isadore;1133343 wrote:that is income tax, which is not our only tax and i think i am right to say it is slightly more than 50% of Americans who pay income tax. And our discussion began with the 1% vs the 99%. The 1% pay far less than 1/2 our total income tax.

Al Bundy;1133390 wrote:so you think that 1% of the population should pay 50% of the taxes?

isadore;1133335 wrote:I am sure that the jury experts rich can afford, will make sure that bias never works against them.

Al Bundy;1133390 wrote:so you think that 1% of the population should pay 50% of the taxes?

fan_from_texas;1133423 wrote:I don't know how it works where you are, but in my practice, public interest intervenors have access to the same quality of experts as everyone else, paid for through state utility revenues.

fan_from_texas;1133423 wrote:I don't know how it works where you are, but in my practice, public interest intervenors have access to the same quality of experts as everyone else, paid for through state utility revenues.

isadore;1133482 wrote:is that true throughout the criminal and civil system in your state. Or just in a specific area where the government has intervened to make sure there is just.

2kool4skool;1132769 wrote:67% of the country can't name one supreme court justice
56% can't name a single case ever heard by the supreme court
41% think Saddam Hussein was behind 9/11
90% can't identify Afghanistan on a world map
37% can't identify the U.S.A. on a world map

isadore;1133314 wrote:The taxes rich are not only people supplying money to law students that is false. And loans are not free. Take my word for it they are to be repaid. That is not free.

A review of Kentucky’s death penalty procedures reveals that 60 percent of the people on death row since 1976 have had their convictions overturned “due to serious constitutional error or misconduct that occurred at trial.”
At least 10 of the 78 people on death row since 1976 were represented by attorneys who were later disbarred.

fan_from_texas;1133513 wrote:I've participated in utility proceedings in a half dozen states, and it's true in all of them. I can't speak to things outside my expertise.