Midstate01
Posts: 14,766
Apr 1, 2012 12:37pm
Taylor was mostly a complete non factor last night. He turns it over way too much and can't hit an outside shot to save his life. He will never make it in the nba.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Apr 1, 2012 12:40pm
Okay so Craft is praised because Taylor didn't have a good offensive game...but Taylor shuts down Craft, and he didn't have a good game?
How OSU fans can still overrate Craft just because he's "that white guy who plays really hard defensively" is hilarious
How OSU fans can still overrate Craft just because he's "that white guy who plays really hard defensively" is hilarious
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Apr 1, 2012 12:43pm
This is stupid. He shoots almost 40% from 3 this year. He's cut down on his turnovers. He's a freak athlete for a PG, he'll play in the NBA.Midstate01;1133793 wrote:Taylor was mostly a complete non factor last night. He turns it over way too much and can't hit an outside shot to save his life. He will never make it in the nba.
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Apr 1, 2012 12:43pm
Craft was the reason OSU lost. Awful decisions in the 2nd half, IMO. This included the last "selfish" play, trying to miss the FT. I admire his risk-taking to try that, but he absolutely bungled it...
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Apr 1, 2012 12:47pm
Yeah he botched that. The last 3 min were a total clusterfuck.Azubuike24;1133804 wrote:Craft was the reason OSU lost. Awful decisions in the 2nd half, IMO. This included the last "selfish" play, trying to miss the FT. I admire his risk-taking to try that, but he absolutely bungled it...
ytownfootball
Posts: 6,978
Apr 1, 2012 12:48pm
Disagree with this for no other reason than it shouldn't come down to some bullshit attempt from the line down 2 with a couple on the game clock lol. OSU came out flat, went into panic mode and made piss poor shot selections, that's why they lost, not because Craft tried to pull something out his ass with a couple ticks left and about .08% chance of success lolAzubuike24;1133804 wrote:Craft was the reason OSU lost. Awful decisions in the 2nd half, IMO. This included the last "selfish" play, trying to miss the FT. I admire his risk-taking to try that, but he absolutely bungled it...
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Apr 1, 2012 12:49pm
What was the other option??Azubuike24;1133804 wrote: This included the last "selfish" play, trying to miss the FT. I admire his risk-taking to try that, but he absolutely bungled it...
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Apr 1, 2012 12:53pm
Yeah I don't know how you can call that "selfish".
Thats exactly what I expected him to do.
Thats exactly what I expected him to do.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Apr 1, 2012 12:53pm
SportsAndLady;1133798 wrote:Okay so Craft is praised because Taylor didn't have a good offensive game...but Taylor shuts down Craft, and he didn't have a good game?
Huh? 3 points over season average is "shutting Craft down"?
Yeah, I agree. It's not like he has won any awards for his defense or anything....How OSU fans can still overrate Craft just because he's "that white guy who plays really hard defensively" is hilarious
Skyhook79
Posts: 5,739
Apr 1, 2012 12:57pm
No way. Thomas and Sully going 8-33 lost the game, that and Thomas not being able to stay out of foul trouble.Azubuike24;1133804 wrote:Craft was the reason OSU lost. Awful decisions in the 2nd half, IMO. This included the last "selfish" play, trying to miss the FT. I admire his risk-taking to try that, but he absolutely bungled it...
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Apr 1, 2012 12:58pm
He was 4-11. Played AWFUL in the 2nd half. When your season average is 8 points, its not that hard to be 3 points over it when you shoot 11 times lolLJ;1133820 wrote:Huh? 3 points over season average is "shutting Craft down"?
Okay? He's a good defender, but he's not even a top 10 PG in the country. There's more to being a point guard than playing really hard defense.LJ;1133820 wrote:Yeah, I agree. It's not like he has won any awards for his defense or anything....
Midstate01
Posts: 14,766
Apr 1, 2012 1:00pm
As crazy as it sounds, Thomas being in foul trouble was the difference, because he played some really good d against trob.
Osu lost this game. It's not Kansas winning it. Osu absolutely blew it. They had the game and threw it away.
Osu lost this game. It's not Kansas winning it. Osu absolutely blew it. They had the game and threw it away.
ytownfootball
Posts: 6,978
Apr 1, 2012 1:00pm
Your boy was 3-11, just sayin' lol
Skyhook79
Posts: 5,739
Apr 1, 2012 1:01pm
If there was any shutting down being done it was Craft shutting down Taylor, 6.5 pts below his average on 3-11 shooting. Get a clue.SportsAndLady;1133798 wrote:Okay so Craft is praised because Taylor didn't have a good offensive game...but Taylor shuts down Craft, and he didn't have a good game?
How OSU fans can still overrate Craft just because he's "that white guy who plays really hard defensively" is hilarious
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Apr 1, 2012 1:04pm
Letting someone go over their season average is in no way "shutting them down". Sorry.SportsAndLady;1133825 wrote:He was 4-11. Played AWFUL in the 2nd half. When your season average is 8 points, its not that hard to be 3 points over it when you shoot 11 times lol
really "hard" defense? No, I would call it really "good" defense. He may not be a top 10 overall PG, but he does what he does very very well. He's not relied on to create shots. Thad Matta PG's rarely are. He will probably be a 15 PPG type player his last 2 years.Okay? He's a good defender, but he's not even a top 10 PG in the country. There's more to being a point guard than playing really hard defense.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Apr 1, 2012 1:06pm
Agreed. I thought his D against T Rob at the beginning of the game (before he was in foul trouble) was acceptable.Midstate01;1133827 wrote:As crazy as it sounds, Thomas being in foul trouble was the difference, because he played some really good d against trob.
Osu lost this game. It's not Kansas winning it. Osu absolutely blew it. They had the game and threw it away.
Thomas is a guy that relies so much on an offensive rhythm that he just never had a chance to get it going.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Apr 1, 2012 1:11pm
Lol take everything so literally are we?
Okay maybe not "shutting down" but he wasn't a factor in the 2nd half and that was all Taylor. Like I said, I'll take 10 players in college basketball over Craft at the PG position. A hustle player who can't shoot or shoot free throws but plays really good defense isn't what I would take in my point guard. I'll take Taylor and win a national championship.
Okay maybe not "shutting down" but he wasn't a factor in the 2nd half and that was all Taylor. Like I said, I'll take 10 players in college basketball over Craft at the PG position. A hustle player who can't shoot or shoot free throws but plays really good defense isn't what I would take in my point guard. I'll take Taylor and win a national championship.
Y-Town Steelhound
Posts: 1,388
Apr 1, 2012 1:13pm
It was a good game but a tough loss to end a great season. When games come down to the wire like that, the team that catches the breaks normally wins. Well there's no doubt Kansas was on the receiving end of the breaks last night (Robinson getting an extra foul, Fluke play at the end of the 1st half, etc.) and the Bucks just couldn't make the shots they needed down the stretch.
A Final Four berth for a team that probably shouldn't have made one isn't a bad end to the season. A lot of hope for next season even if both Sully and Thomas leave.
A Final Four berth for a team that probably shouldn't have made one isn't a bad end to the season. A lot of hope for next season even if both Sully and Thomas leave.
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Apr 1, 2012 1:14pm
And you just f'd yourself.SportsAndLady;1133849 wrote:I'll take Taylor and win a national championship.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Apr 1, 2012 1:16pm
Robinson getting an extra foul? Huh?Y-Town Steelhound;1133852 wrote:It was a good game but a tough loss to end a great season. When games come down to the wire like that, the team that catches the breaks normally wins. Well there's no doubt Kansas was on the receiving end of the breaks last night (Robinson getting an extra foul, Fluke play at the end of the 1st half, etc.) and the Bucks just couldn't make the shots they needed down the stretch.
A Final Four berth for a team that probably shouldn't have made one isn't a bad end to the season. A lot of hope for next season even if both Sully and Thomas leave.
And that wasn't a fluke play..OSU shot it with like 6 seconds still on the clock, KU got the rebound and went the length of the court in 4 seconds for the layup...wasn't a fluke play at all lol
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Apr 1, 2012 1:18pm
HahaAutomatik;1133853 wrote:And you just f'd yourself.
they'll beat Kentucky, why you ask?
In '08 the NYG needed a miracle catch to beat the unbeatable Patriots. That same year KU needed a miracle shot by Chalmers to win the title. This year the NYG made a run and won the Super Bowl when they didn't look like they would all year. This year, the same will be said for Kansas!
Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Apr 1, 2012 1:25pm
Kansas is going to get blasted by Kentucky. No way in hell if Kansas wants to run they will win. Now if they slow it down they got a chance but If Taylor can't hit the jumper he's going to be a non factor. Considering Anthony Davis is waiting for him in the lane
ytownfootball
Posts: 6,978
Apr 1, 2012 1:28pm
Let's just go ahead and be honest. If Craft's name appeared on the back of a KU jersey you'd be blowing him, and you wouldn't find 3 let alone 10 players you'd take over him. Fact.SportsAndLady;1133849 wrote:Lol take everything so literally are we?
Like I said, I'll take 10 players in college basketball over Craft at the PG position. A hustle player who can't shoot or shoot free throws but plays really good defense isn't what I would take in my point guard. I'll take Taylor and win a national championship.
Y-Town Steelhound
Posts: 1,388
Apr 1, 2012 1:34pm
What would have been Robinson's first foul (and would've given him 2 fouls early), was called on someone nowhere near the play...The announce team talked about it a good amount. Wasn't a fluke play? Thompson's hand was about an inch from sending it off the backboard....9 times out of 10 the team with possession holds out for the last shot in that situation.SportsAndLady;1133855 wrote:Robinson getting an extra foul? Huh?
And that wasn't a fluke play..OSU shot it with like 6 seconds still on the clock, KU got the rebound and went the length of the court in 4 seconds for the layup...wasn't a fluke play at all lol
OSU got taken out of their gameplan in the 2nd half and Matta probably left Thomas out longer than he should have (not that he was having a great night shooting though). Buckeyes settled for way too many bad shots in the 2nd half instead of moving the ball around and finding the right shot which had been key to their success in the 1st half. Again, tough loss that could've gone either way.
ytownfootball
Posts: 6,978
Apr 1, 2012 1:40pm
They went back and gave T Rob the foul