LJ
Posts: 16,351
Mar 27, 2012 1:31pm
The instigator of the situation (aka the agressor) cannot claim self defense. Stand your ground and claiming Self Defense get you off with no penalty. When you instigate a situation, you do not get off with no penalty. He will get charged with Manslaughter at the very least IMO.ksig489;1129188 wrote:Now there is a witness who says they saw Zimmerman on the ground and bloody BEFORE the shooting. The police have confirmed that the back of his head was bloody as well as his nose before they questioned him. Sounds like the story that the kid hit him and pounded his head into the ground may be pretty believable. Self-defense sounds more and more realistic every day.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Mar 27, 2012 1:48pm
I think he needs to be arrested. Innocent or not, its a crock of shit that's he's not at least charged with something.LJ;1129191 wrote:The instigator of the situation (aka the agressor) cannot claim self defense. Stand your ground and claiming Self Defense get you off with no penalty. When you instigate a situation, you do not get off with no penalty. He will get charged with Manslaughter at the very least IMO.
Devils Advocate
Posts: 4,539
Mar 27, 2012 1:50pm
Fortunately for you, Racism and bad taste are not against the law.....sleeper;1129205 wrote:I think he needs to be arrested. Innocent or not, its a crock of **** that's he's not at least charged with something.
Oh... I forgot the
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Gblock
Mar 27, 2012 1:55pm
i think there is a zero percent chance we see a murder conviction and less than 25 percent chance of any criminal conviction.
at most some type of civil rights violation imo.
at most some type of civil rights violation imo.
ZWICK 4 PREZ
Posts: 7,733
Mar 27, 2012 1:58pm
It can't be murder unless he knew Trayvon was going to be walking there that night and was going to kill him.Gblock;1129211 wrote:i think there is a zero percent chance we see a murder conviction and less than 25 percent chance of any criminal conviction.
at most some type of civil rights violation imo.
It could be manslaughter though.
bases_loaded
Posts: 6,912
Mar 27, 2012 1:59pm
Gblock;1129211 wrote:i think there is a zero percent chance we see a murder conviction and less than 25 percent chance of any criminal conviction.
at most some type of civil rights violation imo.
So if someone hits me in the back of the head a bounces my head off the cement, I'm in the wrong if I shoot them....only if were of different races?
ZWICK 4 PREZ
Posts: 7,733
Mar 27, 2012 2:01pm
If you instigated it.bases_loaded;1129218 wrote:So if someone hits me in the back of the head a bounces my head off the cement, I'm in the wrong if I shoot them....only if were of different races?
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Mar 27, 2012 2:03pm
The highest would probably be Involuntary Manslaughter with Provocation.ZWICK 4 PREZ;1129214 wrote:It can't be murder unless he knew Trayvon was going to be walking there that night and was going to kill him.
It could be manslaughter though.
I could see Criminally Negligent Manslaughter as well
ZWICK 4 PREZ
Posts: 7,733
Mar 27, 2012 2:05pm
I don't know near enough about what happened to say what it would probably be.LJ;1129222 wrote:The highest would probably be Involuntary Manslaughter with Provocation.
I could see Criminally Negligent Manslaughter as well
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Mar 27, 2012 2:05pm
I think people need to look at it in equal but different terms.
Lets say Bobby Joe and Billy are standing there. Bobby Joe tells Billy that Billy's mom is a whore and tells him to get out of there. Then Billy starts beating on Bobby Joe. Bobby Joe then kills Billy. Who is wrong? Who instigated everything?
Lets say Bobby Joe and Billy are standing there. Bobby Joe tells Billy that Billy's mom is a whore and tells him to get out of there. Then Billy starts beating on Bobby Joe. Bobby Joe then kills Billy. Who is wrong? Who instigated everything?
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Mar 27, 2012 2:06pm
Don't worry, LJ is a lawyer as well. Or he has an inside source in Sanford FL, that'll be the next thing he makes up.ZWICK 4 PREZ;1129225 wrote:I don't know near enough about what happened to say what it would probably be.
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Gblock
Mar 27, 2012 2:07pm
i say that only because of his statements on the 911 call. they showed that he was using slurs(coon), making statements like they always get away, saying this guys on something etc...he should have never followed someone who wasnt doing anything wrong especially when they said stop. he shouldnt of had the gun anyway its against the policy of the HOA and the blockwatch organization...bases_loaded;1129218 wrote:So if someone hits me in the back of the head a bounces my head off the cement, I'm in the wrong if I shoot them....only if were of different races?
if it was later at night maybe i could see him feeling like this was a suspisious guy but really his statements showed a lot of bias and profiling that turned out to be not the case. these actions by him eventually led to the death of an unarmed person. thug or not.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Mar 27, 2012 2:07pm
What color skin does Billy and Bobby Joe have?LJ;1129227 wrote:I think people need to look at it in equal but different terms.
Lets say Bobby Joe and Billy are standing there. Bobby Joe tells Billy that Billy's mom is a whore and tells him to get out of there. Then Billy starts beating on Bobby Joe. Bobby Joe then kills Billy. Who is wrong? Who instigated everything?
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Mar 27, 2012 2:07pm
Or you could just know the definitions of each of those and have a logical opinionsleeper;1129228 wrote:Don't worry, LJ is a lawyer as well. Or he has an inside source in Sanford FL, that'll be the next thing he makes up.
ZWICK 4 PREZ
Posts: 7,733
Mar 27, 2012 2:13pm
Definitions don't go from state to state though.LJ;1129231 wrote:Or you could just know the definitions of each of those and have a logical opinion
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Mar 27, 2012 2:16pm
So what really happened is you Google'd a legal experts opinion on the matter and tried to pass it off as your own?LJ;1129231 wrote:Or you could just know the definitions of each of those and have a logical opinion
You're a real piece of work.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Mar 27, 2012 2:18pm
The general definiton of each does. The specific circumstance that leads to it would not. Like, Florida doesn't have involuntary manslaughter, nor would would imperfect self defense apply because of the stand your ground statutes.ZWICK 4 PREZ;1129236 wrote:Definitions don't go from state to state though.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Mar 27, 2012 2:18pm
None of that happened.sleeper;1129238 wrote:So what really happened is you Google'd a legal experts opinion on the matter and tried to pass it off as your own?
You're a real piece of work.
ZWICK 4 PREZ
Posts: 7,733
Mar 27, 2012 2:19pm
I thought I had heard that, that's why I wondered when you said "Involuntary Manslaughter with Provocation" and also why I just said Manslaughter.LJ;1129239 wrote: Like, Florida doesn't have involuntary manslaughter
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Mar 27, 2012 2:21pm
What's the law in North Dakota? I don't know of anyone who keeps track of all the laws of each individual state/country/city/nation/district on the planet like you do? It doesn't matter what it is, rape/murder/STDs?/hunting/FDA regulations/FCC/etc., you know it all LJ, I'm impressed. :rolleyes:LJ;1129240 wrote:None of that happened.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Mar 27, 2012 2:22pm
I didn't realize I typed that. Oops. Yeah, I just mean manslaughter with provocation. I am saying that is the highest he would get, because he was obviously provoked into killing him.ZWICK 4 PREZ;1129241 wrote:I thought I had heard that, that's why I wondered when you said "Involuntary Manslaughter with Provocation" and also why I just said Manslaughter.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Mar 27, 2012 2:23pm
I have no idea.sleeper;1129244 wrote:What's the law in North Dakota? I don't know of anyone who keeps track of all the laws of each individual state/country/city/nation/district on the planet like you do? It doesn't matter what it is, rape/murder/STDs?/hunting/FDA regulations/FCC/etc., you know it all LJ, I'm impressed. :rolleyes:
Why don't you stop trolling and get back on topic?
mcburg93
Posts: 3,167
Mar 27, 2012 2:25pm
You mean you dont read what you copy and paste?LJ;1129247 wrote:I didn't realize I typed that. Oops. Yeah, I just mean manslaughter with provocation. I am saying that is the highest he would get, because he was obviously provoked into killing him.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Mar 27, 2012 2:27pm
Of course not. Especially since there is no such thing as involuntary manslaughter with provocation :laugh:mcburg93;1129249 wrote:You mean you dont read what you copy and paste?
password
Posts: 2,360
Mar 27, 2012 3:21pm
This story really sheds some light on the kid. The kids parents almost had everyone fooled, but the truth always comes out. He was nothing but a thug and because of a young thug we are headed for race riots. I think it is time to put this country back on track and the november election can't get here soon enough.
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/320096/20120327/trayvon-martin-case-photos-new-facebook-details.htm
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/320096/20120327/trayvon-martin-case-photos-new-facebook-details.htm