HitsRus;1103376 wrote:Me! Me!...I've posted this oft and ad nauseum. Tressel had to contend with an NCAA rulebook the size of the Bible, and Hayes did not. A lot of what made Woody great in terms of recruitment rules, would be illegal by NCAA standards of today. That said, you have to make Hayes #1 on length of service/number of wins alone.

isadore;1103433 wrote:Hayes followed the rules of his time and Tressel lied to avoid in order to avoid a punishment that may have cost hims some victories. He is a disgrace to the University.

isadore;1103433 wrote:Hayes followed the rules of his time and Tressel lied to avoid in order to avoid a punishment that may have cost hims some victories. He is a disgrace to the University.

ytownfootball;1102993 wrote:Again, you have no idea wtf you are talking about. Nixon? Save politics for the political forum. Should you care to educate yourself on what it is you're grinding your axe against, feel free.

http://www.thebuckeyebattlecry.com/2011/09/tbbc-rewind-compare-and-contrast-ncaa-allegations/

isadore;1103444 wrote:Tressel’s tenure as coach at Youngstown State he was in league with Mickey Monos. The university was cited by the N.C.A.A. for lack of institutional control after Ray Isaac, who quarterbacked the 1991 team to a Division I-AA championship, was later found to have accepted $10,000 and access to cars provided by the former chairman of Youngstown State’s board of trustees.
2005-6 Andy Geiger was on Tressel case for playing fast and loose with NCAA reporting. So when he lied subverted, lied and cheated it was nothing new to him.

ytownfootball;1103447 wrote:Wikipedia is great huh...how again did that tarnish his tenure at Ohio State?

ytownfootball;1103441 wrote:Well, this just isn't true you see. Woody was widely known to have helped players out monetarily as need arouse, couple hundred here, couple there, 400 over there. It's fairly well accepted, though times were different I agree, it's never been "legal" (hate using the term, because it's like going through a stop sign in a parking lot, who give a ****) to give players money for any reason.

Please...educate yourself before writing checks you can't cash.

http://markrea.wordpress.com/2011/03/22/tressel-woody-now-have-something-else-in-common/

FairwoodKing;1103671 wrote:Yes, I think he's pretty rank.

vball10set;1104346 wrote:Tressel will not only be forgiven, but will be revered as one of the greatest OSU coaches ever, within five years--max.

Tiernan;1104385 wrote:...maybe by those who also lack integrity (which unfortunately seem to multiply like rabbits in this country )

Tiernan;1104327 wrote:You come into life with only one characteristic intact and that is your integrity, whether you maintain it is up to you. Tressel proved to be a dishonest hypocrite. Making judgement errors which we've all done is different than purposefully lying to protect yourself. Woody made a huge error and can be forgiven, will take alot longer for Tressel to be given the same consideration IMO.

ytownfootball;1104389 wrote:I may just be guessing, but I think it's more likely what vball says will be true, not for those that lack integrity but as it becomes more clear that Tressel fell on the sword. I have a hard time believing Gene Smith was as innocent as he claims to be here. Just my opinion.

Tiernan;1104385 wrote:...maybe by those who also lack integrity (which unfortunately seem to multiply like rabbits in this country )

dwccrew;1104521 wrote:Whether you are right about Tressel falling on the sword may be determined in the future, but as it stands, there really is no evidence linking Smith to knowing about this situation. If there was, he'd be gone as well.

I think people have their blinders on and want to believe that Tressel "fell on the sword"; he was that good at making people belive he had a moral compass. But in the end he was not much different than most D1 coaches.

isadore;1103433 wrote:Hayes followed the rules of his time and Tressel lied to avoid in order to avoid a punishment that may have cost hims some victories. He is a disgrace to the University.

BAMABUCK;1105325 wrote:Number 2 in front of #3 Bruce.Woody #1. Cooper almost made me.....commit crimes. I know Bruce is no comparison on paper but he is IMO a players coach and old school plus I like his hat. Glad to see Urban in Big 10. Maybe end the SEC dominance? Roll Tide.

ytownfootball;1105013 wrote:Eh, the point is that most people seem to pay little or no attention to is IF Gene Smith knew anything, and did nothing, that would pretty much LOIC, which of course would be much more severe in the penalty department. I don't and haven't trusted Gene Smith. For me it's really easy to draw that distinction. I don't have issue with people just looking at it from a purely black and white, "as reported" standpoint, I just feel Ohio State is better at playing the game than most, in this case, playing the game meant Tressel falling on the sword to lessen the severity of the sanctions. Just my opinion of course.

vball10set;1104346 wrote:Tressel will not only be forgiven, but will be revered as one of the greatest OSU coaches ever, within five years--max.

Thinthickbigred;1105415 wrote:Cooper definitly caused my liver to age .

said_aouita;1105445 wrote:My worse hang overs were caused by mixing Cooper coached games and draft beer from Papa Joe's.