I consider slugging an opposing player on national TV just as detrimental to the program/university. Just because ESPN covered JT for a year+ doesn't make it any worse.

ytownfootball;1102159 wrote:I consider slugging an opposing player on national TV just as detrimental to the program/university. Just because ESPN covered JT for a year+ doesn't make it any worse.

Not to mention the other physical altercations Woody had w/ coaches, media, and administrators of other schools. Woody wouldn't have lasted a season in this day and age.

I consider slugging an opposing player on national TV just as detrimental to the program/university.

No doubt that was bad, but it doesn't approach the pattern of lying and overall lack of integrity shown by JT.He talked the talk, but didn't walk the walk.

Woody wouldn't have lasted a season in this day and age.

Probably true but irrelevant.

Prescott;1102195 wrote:No doubt that was bad, but it doesn't approach the pattern of lying and overall lack of integrity shown by JT.He talked the talk, but didn't walk the walk.



Probably true but irrelevant.

How can you demonize Tressel, for lasting 10 years under arguably the most scrutinized program of the last decade, but yet say that Woody's transgressions are irrelevant? Very contradictory.

Prescott;1102075 wrote:JT sold out the program and put a few players ahead of the other members of the team. No other coach brought the scruitny and the shame to OSU that JT did. For these transgressions his name should be on the bottom of the list.

Went out much better then Woody did. Discounted tats? come on really? In a few years people will laugh at the stupidly of the NCAA.

Abe Vigoda;1102225 wrote:Went out much better then Woody did. Discounted tats? come on really? In a few years people will laugh at the stupidly of the NCAA.

It isn't the Tats, it's the not reporting them thing, enabling what would have been ineligible players to participate. Though had it been reprted they would have missed two/three irrelevant games on the schedule.

but yet say that Woody's transgressions are irrelevant?

I didn't say Woody's transgression was irrelevant. What is irrelevent is playing a kind of "If" game. In this case "If" Woody would have coached in this day and age. He didn't, which makes the supposition irrelevent.

How can you demonize Tressel, for lasting 10 years under arguably the most scrutinized program of the last decade,

Both went out in disgrace, which is unfortunate. Woody went out for punching an opponent. JT went out for putting himself and his personal goals above the program. He lied to the NCAA ,he lied to his team, and he lied to all OSU fans. Unforgivable.!!!

I believed in Jim Tressel. I thought there was a ZERO chance that he would bring shame to the OSU program. I bought in and I feel like I was sold out. In my eyes he is the definition of a fraud. He did great things at OSU and I'm sure he cared for his players. But, in the end he sacrificed the team for a few.IMO, that is inexcusable. You are certainly entitled to your opinion about JT and I respect and understand that. I stand by my original post.

You can also look at it in the fact that Tress would likely have more titles if it was back in the day. They dont play Florida or LSU in the title game without the BCS, they play in the Rose Bowl. So they just have to beat a Pac-10 school to be polled the champion.

Prescott;1102270 wrote:I believed in Jim Tressel. I thought there was a ZERO chance that he would bring shame to the OSU program. I bought in and I feel like I was sold out. In my eyes he is the definition of a fraud. He did great things at OSU and I'm sure he cared for his players. But, in the end he sacrificed the team for a few.IMO, that is inexcusable. You are certainly entitled to your opinion about JT and I respect and understand that. I stand by my original post.

Could substitute Jim O'Brien name in that paragraph, and thats how I felt about him. I am there with Tressel also. But even at that, you can't deny his success for the 10yrs he was there.
Bottom line, both he and Woody made a huge mistake on their way out. But it doesn't wipe away the 100x things they did in the good for those who played, as well as all the other things. I'll never forget Tressel showing up to see a friend of mine, a cancer patient. It did wonders for him in the short time he had left. He also did a great thing for a young high school girl who suffered an injury. He happened to be at the game and did something way out of his way the next day. Those are things behind the scenes that many don't know about.

Tressel is a solid 2 behind Woody. In a few years his name belongs in the Ring of Honor. In spite of what others say about him, he can coach my son anytime.

Hopefully Tressel is moved down a spot in about 5-10 years.

Prescott;1102270 wrote:I didn't say Woody's transgression was irrelevant. What is irrelevent is playing a kind of "If" game. In this case "If" Woody would have coached in this day and age. He didn't, which makes the supposition irrelevent.


Both went out in disgrace, which is unfortunate. Woody went out for punching an opponent. JT went out for putting himself and his personal goals above the program. He lied to the NCAA ,he lied to his team, and he lied to all OSU fans. Unforgivable.!!!

I believed in Jim Tressel. I thought there was a ZERO chance that he would bring shame to the OSU program. I bought in and I feel like I was sold out. In my eyes he is the definition of a fraud. He did great things at OSU and I'm sure he cared for his players. But, in the end he sacrificed the team for a few.IMO, that is inexcusable. You are certainly entitled to your opinion about JT and I respect and understand that. I stand by my original post.

Regarding your last paragraph, I have mixed emotions with JT and what actually went on.

I still believe there is more to the story than we will ever know and I to this day I still believe he "fell on the sword. Of course this only my opinion, but I find it hard to believe that he kept all that to himself.

Automatik;1102375 wrote:Regarding your last paragraph, I have mixed emotions with JT and what actually went on.

I still believe there is more to the story than we will ever know and I to this day I still believe he "fell on the sword. Of course this only my opinion, but I find it hard to believe that he kept all that to himself.

I also think he fell on the sword.

I still think that slimeball Gene Smith knew more than he let on also. I really dislike that asshole.

I still believe there is more to the story than we will ever know and I to this day I still believe he "fell on the sword.

I can only base my opinion on what has been reported.

I grew up with Woody and started really following sports in 67-68(I was six going on seven years old) so I give the nod to Woody. Tressel would be second for me and this says something for the success of OSU's football program that you can have a coach the caliber of Tressel and vote him second.

FWIW I asked an athletic director yesterday off the record his thoughts on the Ohio State/Tressel situation, and his tone was rather incredulous that Gene Smith knew nothing and his comments about Tressel were ALL positive.

ytownfootball;1102159 wrote:I consider slugging an opposing player on national TV just as detrimental to the program/university. Just because ESPN covered JT for a year+ doesn't make it any worse.

I don't buy this. What Woody did, while casting a bad shadow on the program, did not set the program back because of sanctions and lost schollies. There was no punishment to the program because of what Woody did, the same can't be said for Tressel. In my mind, Woody is #1 and Tressel is a firm #2, but Tressel didn't do enough to surpass Wayne Woodrow Hayes.

lhslep134;1102445 wrote:FWIW I asked an athletic director yesterday off the record his thoughts on the Ohio State/Tressel situation, and his tone was rather incredulous that Gene Smith knew nothing and his comments about Tressel were ALL positive.

So Greg Byrne lol

SportsAndLady;1102503 wrote:So Greg Byrne lol

I don't want to make it seem like he was being quoted haha. He came and talked to some students at the law school and was actually really open with us as long as he was off the record. I asked him about the Ohio State stuff after that meeting.

He touched on some really relevant topics like player payment and a playoff system among others, I was surprised how honest he was.

I used to work with someone who graduated from UA and he LOVES Byrne

Said he was the next up and coming AD...but this kid was a huge douchebag, so I never took anything he said serious.

S&L he's an awesome guy. He embraces social media, but understands the enhanced compliance it requires.

Reading between the lines of what he was saying, I think it's very likely a Plus One with semi-final games on campuses is going to be the first playoff format. He raved about the Pac-12's success with having the Pac-12 championship game at Autzen.

FatHobbit;1101888 wrote:Michigan was weak when they had RR, but they were pretty good from 2001 - 2007.



Hayes has more, but those were paper titles, not BCS titles. I don't think people were that excited about National titles during that time period. I could be wrong, but the people I know who were alive then cared more about winning the B1G and going to the Rose Bowl than what a group of voters thought.

I think you can make an argument for Tressel, but IMHO the main reason he can't surpass Woody is because Woody was there for so long.

But both were the respective systems at the time, and obviously the BCS isn't foolproof either.

We have an old man who had stayed too long and lost his temper. He cost himself the job he most wanted in the world. No corruption and no real stain on the program or the institution, just a sad way for a great man to go out. Then you have a coach who lied, cheated and corrupted the program and put a long term stain on OSU.

isadore;1102651 wrote:We have an old man who had stayed too long and lost his temper. He cost himself the job he most wanted in the world. No corruption and no real stain on the program or the institution, just a sad way for a great man to go out. Then you have a coach who lied, cheated and corrupted the program and put a long term stain on OSU.

Lol if you're going to "hate" on Tressel, you certainly can not downplay what happened with Woody. "He just stayed too long and lost his temper" is one of the funniest things I've read on here, especially after you then go on to call Tressel a lier, cheater, and someone who corrupted a program he loved probably more than any coach OSU has ever had.

SportsAndLady;1102658 wrote:Lol if you're going to "hate" on Tressel, you certainly can not downplay what happened with Woody. "He just stayed too long and lost his temper" is one of the funniest things I've read on here, especially after you then go on to call Tressel a lier, cheater, and someone who corrupted a program he loved probably more than any coach OSU has ever had.

Because that is all Woody did, What he did hurt him and did not reflect on the program. What Tressel did was something else. Now when people consider the leading sleaze bag programs in the first decades of the 21st century there will be Miami, USC under Pete Carroll and Tressel's Buckeyes.