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Mar 7, 2012 3:30 AM
Detroit has to be the most ghetto team ever lol
Mar 6, 2012 10:30pm
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Mar 7, 2012 3:36 AM
SportsAndLady;1107618 wrote:Detroit has to be the most ghetto team ever lol

LMAO
Mar 6, 2012 10:36pm
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Mar 7, 2012 3:40 AM
2pt game on ESPN2 with 3:00 left
Mar 6, 2012 10:40pm
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Mar 7, 2012 3:49 AM
Tied up :15 W Ill ball
Mar 6, 2012 10:49pm
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Mar 7, 2012 3:50 AM
OT
Mar 6, 2012 10:50pm
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Mar 7, 2012 3:55 AM
SportsAndLady;1107618 wrote:Detroit has to be the most ghetto team ever lol
They definitely wouldn't be the fan favorite against Berlin Hiland down at the State Tournament. Whenever the Hiland Hawks play against a team from the inner-city, Value City Arena turns into an extremist right-wing secret society. Lol. It never fails down there. Makes for some tremendous noise, though.
Mar 6, 2012 10:55pm
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Mar 7, 2012 3:59 AM
In theory the more teams available to a playoff kind of detract from the true nature of the champion. Exclusivity lends credence to a truer champion. The BCS is wrong because there's only 2 teams. I think 64 teams is even more wrong (Uconn best team last year??? Yeah right).
Mar 6, 2012 10:59pm
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Mar 7, 2012 4:03 AM
If anything, all it does is water down what it means to "make the field."

Whether they make it 64, 68, 96, 128 or every D1 school, it really doesn't have an impact on THE BEST. The best is usually in that final group of 8 or 16 regardless. That's the nature of the tournament. However, it doesn't detract from the true champion IMO, if they make all 16-seeds have a play-in to get smoked by a #1.
Mar 6, 2012 11:03pm
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Mar 7, 2012 4:05 AM
WIU with a chance to win it
Mar 6, 2012 11:05pm
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Mar 7, 2012 4:08 AM
That was ugly
Mar 6, 2012 11:08pm
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Mar 7, 2012 4:11 AM
Azubuike24;1107652 wrote: However, it doesn't detract from the true champion IMO.
I completely disagree. Maybe 6 rounds of best of 3, but 6 rounds of 1 game does not determine the true champion.
Mar 6, 2012 11:11pm
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Mar 7, 2012 4:28 AM
lhslep134;1107650 wrote:In theory the more teams available to a playoff kind of detract from the true nature of the champion. Exclusivity lends credence to a truer champion. The BCS is wrong because there's only 2 teams. I think 64 teams is even more wrong (Uconn best team last year??? Yeah right).
A champion and a best team aren't the same thing.

A champion (as a noun) is the winner of first-prize in a competition. So no, having more teams does not detract from that definition at all. If anything it adds to it, because the champion will have to defeat more opponents to win the competition.

I think more people are interested in crowning a champion than in crowning a best team. Were the Giants the best team in the NFL? Highly debatable. Were they the champion? Not debatable.
Mar 6, 2012 11:28pm
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Mar 7, 2012 4:36 AM
Mulva;1107675 wrote: I think more people are interested in crowning a champion than in crowning a best team. Were the Giants the best team in the NFL? Highly debatable. Were they the champion? Not debatable.
Yeah you're right. But then I would say that a one game format still doesn't crown a true champion. MLB and NBA playoffs are the best imo
Mar 6, 2012 11:36pm
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Mar 7, 2012 4:49 AM
I definitely agree that a series format is the most likely way for the "best" team to end up winning, but it still doesn't always work out (see the 84 win Cardinals team that won the World Series awhile back).

I think in general people get too caught up in the idea that any playoff is meant to determine the best team. They're meant to determine a champion. The teams that make the playoffs are the teams deemed worthy (based on standings, selection committee, whatever) to compete for that championship.

To me, one of the great things about sports is that the best team doesn't always win. I completely agree with you that a big tournament definitely isn't conducive to proclaiming a best team, but people would debate who the best team actually was no matter how it was decided. It doesn't water down the "trueness" of the champion though, in my opinion.
Mar 6, 2012 11:49pm
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Mar 7, 2012 4:55 AM
I like college basketball way too much, so I'm audio streaming the end of the Montana - E. Washington game (Montana is on a 8-0 run in 2 minutes to go up 69-62 with 35 seconds left). Anyway, Montana apparently got a dunk and the announcer busted out "Don't fake the funk on a nasty dunk". Classic.
Mar 6, 2012 11:55pm
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Mar 7, 2012 5:02 AM
Mulva;1107683 wrote: I think in general people get too caught up in the idea that any playoff is meant to determine the best team. They're meant to determine a champion. The teams that make the playoffs are the teams deemed worthy (based on standings, selection committee, whatever) to compete for that championship.
That's true. Good post
Mar 7, 2012 12:02am
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Mar 7, 2012 3:16 PM
The real Big East gets started today. I enjoy the Tuesday matchups, but you get the much better teams and games starting today.

Of course, Peyton and Irsay are gonna upstage it all at noon.
Mar 7, 2012 10:16am
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Mar 7, 2012 3:57 PM
Laley23;1107882 wrote:The real Big East gets started today. I enjoy the Tuesday matchups, but you get the much better teams and games starting today.

Of course, Peyton and Irsay are gonna upstage it all at noon.
did you and TD do both games last night?
Mar 7, 2012 10:57am
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Mar 7, 2012 4:00 PM
vball10set;1107922 wrote:did you and TD do both games last night?
Yes. Great games as well.
Mar 7, 2012 11:00am
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Mar 7, 2012 4:20 PM
lhslep134;1107662 wrote:I completely disagree. Maybe 6 rounds of best of 3, but 6 rounds of 1 game does not determine the true champion.
You missed my point.

What I meant was 64, 68 or 128. None of those makes a difference as far as a true champion being crowned. That's how I read your post, and that's why NCAA Tournament expansion doesn't bother me. When they went to 64, it became a daunting task for any team to fathom, so the "true champion every year" was thrown out the window 25 years ago...
Mar 7, 2012 11:20am
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Mar 7, 2012 5:34 PM
Laley23;1107928 wrote:Yes. Great games as well.
Did MVCDS and TC play in the regular season? if so, what was the outcome?
Mar 7, 2012 12:34pm
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Mar 7, 2012 5:38 PM
vball10set;1108054 wrote:Did MVCDS and TC play in the regular season? if so, what was the outcome?
Yeah, they are both in the TAAC. MV won both meetings, en route to a 13-1 league record. Both teams played the best games Ive seen out of them (limited viewings, admittedly) this season. If they both play the same way, MV wins by about 10 imo.

Pittman vs Brown will be a good match-up. Turner can shut down Cellier. Diechert and Winzeler are about even. No one on TC can stop Sturt, if he comes to play.

MV won at TC 43-42 then at MV 59-46. The first win was the 1st of 19 straight. They have been playing better and better as the season goes on, which is why I expect Friday to be similar to that 2nd game score.
Mar 7, 2012 12:38pm
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Mar 7, 2012 5:57 PM
^^thanks for the report...will BCSN have it Friday (prolly tape delay)?
Mar 7, 2012 12:57pm
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Mar 7, 2012 6:03 PM
Azubuike24;1107951 wrote:You missed my point.

What I meant was 64, 68 or 128. None of those makes a difference as far as a true champion being crowned. That's how I read your post, and that's why NCAA Tournament expansion doesn't bother me. When they went to 64, it became a daunting task for any team to fathom, so the "true champion every year" was thrown out the window 25 years ago...
Gotcha. Expansion doesn't bother me, it's the single elimination format I don't like. But it is what it is, and I don't think anyone will argue March Madness isn't the most entertaining way to crown a champ.
Mar 7, 2012 1:03pm
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Mar 7, 2012 6:20 PM
UConn is so talented, but so soft. Getting killed on the glass.
Mar 7, 2012 1:20pm