Laley23;1425136 wrote:He is gonna have to shed some LBs to be effective in Roys system. Even moreso than Sean May. And he is nowhere near as talented as May was at this point in their lives, so he likely wont get the playing time the way May did.

Yep. After the McDAA game, I said it's gonna be a while until Meeks is a solid contributor at Carolina. The strength and conditioning coach at UNC is one of the best in the business, but it just really depends on whether Meeks is committed to transforming his body. I think he does have the skill to be a good 3 or 4 year player, but it'll never happen unless he works hard to get into shape.

I'll also admit that Marcus Lee, while he belongs in this game, is ALL potential. Right now, I'm having a hard time seeing him contributing a ton next year except when Cauley-Stein and Johnson get in foul trouble. In Cal's system, the 2, 3 and 4 are so similar, I don't see him taking any minutes from Randle, Poythress, Wiltjer or Young at the 3 or 4...

ironman02;1425085 wrote:McAdoo played like 15 MPG last year. From a potential standpoint, yes, he was considered a lottery pick, but he wasn't ready for the NBA. His performance this year while playing more minutes has shown that he wasn't ready. Right now, he has a bulging disc in his back that is probably going to require surgery. He wouldn't be able to be 100% for any pre-draft workouts, and his health is a slight concern to GMs right now, not to mention the fact that he's projected late in the 1st round anyway.

I'm guessing that NBA team officials at this point already have a pretty good feel for where players will end up, so I'm not sure the pre-draft workouts are all that important, especially since the "testing of the waters" is no longer a real thing. With the April 28 deadline, players don't have the chance to get feedback directly from NBA teams and are pretty much drafted based on where their stock stands at the end of the season.

You are right that McAdoo could certainly come back and develop his game and get drafted somewhere between 10 and 13 to ensure a lottery -- he'd have to have a spectacular year to break back into the top ten, in my view. However, if returns and demonstrates to be pretty much the same player -- as you allude to yourself, he has a long way to go to develop into an NBA-ready offensive player -- then his decision to not take the top five money after his freshman year would seem like a pretty major mistake, in my view.

It's already a big mistake. He's not getting his stock back to where it was. The good news for UNC fans is, it's so much the likelihood of this, college may end up just being that important to him and coming back to go after a title is the goal.

I mean...the projected #1 overall pick in THIS draft doesn't have the use of a limb and even when he is 100%, can't shoot outside of 10 feet.

Azubuike24;1425149 wrote:I mean...the projected #1 overall pick in THIS draft doesn't have the use of a limb and even when he is 100%, can't shoot outside of 10 feet.

I wanted to make this point. I mean, Noel will not be participating in any predraft workouts either, unless they are on a hoveround.

And I agree that it's already a mistake, but I was just giving McAdoo the benefit of the doubt that perhaps he could work his way back into a lottery. I don't know if that's going to happen, especially with the strength of next year's class. I think it would take an extraordinary effort to make that happen in 2014.

reclegend22;1425144 wrote:I'm guessing that NBA team officials at this point already have a pretty good feel for where players will end up, so I'm not sure the pre-draft workouts are all that important, especially since the "testing of the waters" is no longer a real thing. With the April 28 deadline, players don't have the chance to get feedback directly from NBA teams and are pretty much drafted based on where their stock stands at the end of the season.

You are right that McAdoo could certainly come back and develop his game and get drafted somewhere between 10 and 13 to ensure a lottery -- he'd have to have a spectacular year to break back into the top ten, in my view. However, if returns and demonstrates to be pretty much the same player -- as you allude to yourself, he has a long way to go to develop into an NBA-ready offensive player -- then his decision to not take the top five money after his freshman year would seem like a pretty major mistake, in my view.

Basically, my point is that there's really not a difference for McAdoo as far as this year or next year is concerned. Even if next year's draft is top heavy with freshman talent, it probably won't affect him. Not leaving last year did cost him money initially, but it might end up benefitting him in the long run. That remains to be seen.

The thing that could be bad for McAdoo is that he may end up playing out of position at the 5 next year if Wiggins commits to Carolina. He's definitely a 4, and playing out of position a lot of this season made things difficult for him. I don't think he has to worry about that, though, because I doubt if Wiggins comes to Carolina despite what any "insiders" have to say.

I actually think that Wiggins is waiting not to wait simply because he can, but because he wants to see where all the pieces will fall into place for next season. And all of the pieces are already in place except for one school: North Carolina. That is a good sign for the Tar Heels. I think Wiggins wants to make sure that everyone will be back before committing to UNC.

Obviously I don't want that to be the case, but it sure sounds like it to me.

McAdoo should come back because he can really make up for a disappointing and unlucky Sophomore year.

There's no ifs, ands or buts about it though. He can't benefit from staying. From a money perspective, he would've been looking at a rookie deal with guaranteed top 5 money. In 3 years, he would be a free agent, who could've signed a second contract. Lets say he only got a moderate 2nd deal. That would be in 2015, which may be when he ends up being drafted (if he stays 4 years, which he could if he doesn't leave now).

In 2015 he's either looking at approximately 12M already earned and a guaranteed 30-50M in his second contact. Instead, he'll be maybe a top 20 pick?

This is how I see it playing out. However, last year's decision was last year. Let bygones be bygones, because he's never going to be back at that level.

Another thing on Wiggins. I'll actually be pissed if he goes to FSU. It would make everything he's said (which hasn't been much), BS.

Wants to play for a title contender and win as many games as he can?

Kentucky, North Carolina, Kansas (all will be top 20 or better teams) and Florida State (won't be top 25)?

Wants to play against other NBA talents?

Kentucky, North Carolina, Kansas (have tons of other NBA prospects) and Florida State (has 1 or 2)?

Wants to play with a great PG?

Andrew Harrison (Kentucky), Marcus Paige (North Carolina) and Nadir Tharpe (Kansas) all will be top 15 PG's or better and Florida State (Devon Bookert was a Freshman last year with 2.4 APG)?

I feel like McAdoo should consult this guy before making any financial decisions from this point forward.

Azubuike24;1424827 wrote:Any name rumblings?

Sorry been gone all day. I just spent like 15 minutes searching for it but I can't remember where I saw it. Gonna keep looking though, itll come to me

Azubuike24;1425185 wrote:Another thing on Wiggins. I'll actually be pissed if he goes to FSU. It would make everything he's said (which hasn't been much), BS.

Wants to play for a title contender and win as many games as he can?

Kentucky, North Carolina, Kansas (all will be top 20 or better teams) and Florida State (won't be top 25)?

Wants to play against other NBA talents?

Kentucky, North Carolina, Kansas (have tons of other NBA prospects) and Florida State (has 1 or 2)?

Wants to play with a great PG?

Andrew Harrison (Kentucky), Marcus Paige (North Carolina) and Nadir Tharpe (Kansas) all will be top 15 PG's or better and Florida State (Devon Bookert was a Freshman last year with 2.4 APG)?

Thats because you are too invested in the kids recruitment. He is 17 years old, he has no clue what he is saying half the time lol.

Could be true. I don't fault him for the attention. You go on any CBB forum, website and especially anything related to UK, KU or UNC (not FSU, they don't give a fuck), you hear about him. It isn't necessarily Wiggins or his camp bringing the attention forward.

I'll ask you Laley, as a CBB fan and somewhat neutral party in his decision. Where do you want him to end up? I don't expect you to say UK, as I wouldn't pull for IU in a similar position. Ever, except against Louisville (puke). With that said, as much as I DON'T want him at UNC or KU, there's just something about a kid this hyped and talented "settling" for FSU. I mean as I said, their fans don't even give a shit...they will forget about him as soon as football signing day 2014 comes around and the spring game approaches. I don't dislike CFB, I love it, but this "1 year" deserves the accolades (as does the entire 2013 class, IMO, it's that special).

I know you didn't ask for my stance on the matter, but as a neutral party myself I personally think Wiggins would really enjoy the sunlight at Florida State and hope he goes there. Jmo.

reclegend22;1425334 wrote:I know you didn't ask for my stance on the matter, but as a neutral party myself I personally think Wiggins would really enjoy the sunlight at Florida State and hope he goes there. Jmo.

LOL. I wonder why you would feel that way?

ironman02;1425344 wrote:LOL. I wonder why you would feel that way?

Lol. I just want what's best for the kid?

Where do you really think he's going, iron?

And Az, where do you really think he's going?

Gut feelings.

Maybe I'm just paranoid, but I think it's Kentucky and I think it has been Kentucky for a long time. Calipari is a great recruiter and he has these kids believing in his "making history" approach, putting together historically good recruiting classes and shooting for perfect seasons. When it comes to the timing of commitments and creating a buzz for Kentucky, Calipari has everything perfectly orchestrated. I think Wiggins will commit soon and it will turn the focus of the college basketball world entirely back to Kentucky after their disappointing season.

The FSU talk, while possibly true because of his parents, is just a facade in my opinion. The same for Kansas and Carolina to an extent. It does seem odd that he's still waiting, so I'm hoping that means he truly is waiting on Carolina's roster to be finalized before making a decision. There are people closely affiliated with Carolina that feel that Roy has a great shot at landing Wiggins. Again, though, I think this is basically just to create a buzz so that Kentucky can "beat out" two of the other blue bloods and the parents' alma mater.

There is one person who keeps appearing on Carolina's scout website who appears to be close to Wiggins, and he strongly believes that he's genuinely conflicted. I don't think he's in Wiggins' inner circle, but he's close to him. Or he could just be a pretty intelligent person trolling Carolina fans. Hopefully we'll find out soon.

This is heresy, but I watched the Jordan game again this morning. I'll honestly be pissed if he goes to FSU. Fuck it, I don't care if he spurns UK for KU or UNC. Bring it on. At FSU, he'll not only get beat down, but he won't have nearly the impact or brand he could've had elsewhere.

My gut feeling, sadly, is FSU. I've pictured all of them in my head and I just see this happening. I really don't see him going to UK at this point.

The polarity of your opinions of where Wiggins will end up is striking. Interesting responses. I can envision either playing out -- and I really do think ironman02 summed up Calipari's recruiting/marketing genius well in his post above. With that said, if McAdoo and Bullock announce they are returning, I think Wiggins is going to Carolina.

And the fact that all three of us think Wiggins is going to three different schools perfectly sums up the fact that we have no idea in fuck where he is going. Lol.

During the Jordan Brand game, the announcers said that Wiggins sat down recently and completed a pros and cons list of his final four choices and that Kansas came out on top. Not sure that means anything, but it is at least a positive token for SportsAndLady to cling to, even if ultimately meaningless. Many thought that Randle was a Kansas lock at one point. Had Randle become a Jayhawk, Wiggins would likely have followed, and I think the best team in the country next year could have been in Lawrence.

KU fan's perspective: He's not going to KU. 0% chance. I, and most ku fans, have given up on this recruit. I believe he'll be at UK, but then again who the hell really knows.

Az,

I personally want him at UNC. I will get to see all of his games, and possibly would get to see IU play him in the ACC/B1G challenge (but IU wont play UNC...just the small chance). I think he can be the best player on the team with a lot of stars and it would be a blast to watch him in Roys system. I want to see him on a team who can make a deep run in March, and I want him in a conference with other good/great teams. Not just next year, but historically.

I think UNC/ACC provides that more than UK or Kansas. Second choice is KU. I think Big 12 is better than SEC and the games would be more fun to watch. Him at UK will not provide for many competative games and thus not many "moments" for him or the team.

So in conclusion:
1. UNC
2. Kansas
3. UK
4. FSU

Laley23;1425405 wrote:Az,

I personally want him at UNC. I will get to see all of his games, and possibly would get to see IU play him in the ACC/B1G challenge (but IU wont play UNC...just the small chance). I think he can be the best player on the team with a lot of stars and it would be a blast to watch him in Roys system. I want to see him on a team who can make a deep run in March, and I want him in a conference with other good/great teams. Not just next year, but historically.

I think UNC/ACC provides that more than UK or Kansas. Second choice is KU. I think Big 12 is better than SEC and the games would be more fun to watch. Him at UK will not provide for many competative games and thus not many "moments" for him or the team.

So in conclusion:
1. UNC
2. Kansas
3. UK
4. FSU

I rest my case. A fan of a so-called "blueblood" with no direct interest in Wiggins, ranks FSU last.

Multiple sources reporting that Roy Williams will be meeting with Andrew Wiggins sometime this week. Carolina really needs him now that Bullock is leaving. Wiggins would obviously not be sharing any minutes with Bullock now, and if McAdoo decides to return, Carolina would still be very good.