Arlovski is an elite striker he just has a glass chin, he was winning all of those fights before getting caught.

yeah i was wrong about silva. I think there are some good guys outside of the ufc but the sf hws are just not that good. Barnett is pretty good but teests postive for steroids a couple times and the other guys are younger who need some more expereince before fighting someone like cain who is well rounded and dominate. The SF hws would make the ufc hw division more solid but i dont see any of them going for a title any time soon but they can definitley compete with any hw outside the top 3 in the ufc. I would putsome of the sf hws somewhere in the top 10 but outside of the top 3 for sure

Uberreem's chin is still a bit suspect but assuming he doesn't get KO'd I don't know who can take him. There isn't a striker in MMA that is on his level and he's got pretty damned good submissions as well having trained with Bas Rutten and such.

But yeah, I don't know if a lot of the SF heavies could really do too well against Cain but I think a lot of them are good enough to get shots if they were in the UFC today. I mean, who else is there besides JDS? Mir?

I Wear Pants;800893 wrote:Uberreem's chin is still a bit suspect but assuming he doesn't get KO'd I don't know who can take him. There isn't a striker in MMA that is on his level and he's got pretty damned good submissions as well having trained with Bas Rutten and such.

But yeah, I don't know if a lot of the SF heavies could really do too well against Cain but I think a lot of them are good enough to get shots if they were in the UFC today. I mean, who else is there besides JDS? Mir?

I agree. I think they need to merge for the depth to create some new match ups before the division runs dry.

I Wear Pants;800789 wrote:No, he hadn't. He has two loses in his career. One in 2006 and one in 2009 to Werdum. His last three fights are wins over Fedor, Mike Kyle, and Arlovski. Arlovski was never great but he was a pretty good KO guy for a while. I mean, he knocked out Roy Nelson. And yeah Arlovski has lost four in a row but they were to Khar, Bigfoot, Rogers, and Fedor. None of them are slouches.

Again, not saying these guys would come in and tear up but I don't understand why some people assume that everyone not in the UFC is garbage. Simply not true.

Roy should have won that fight.

It was fixed. Roy had control of him and out of no where the refs stands them up.

jmog;800578 wrote: No one in their right mind can give the 1st round to Munoz, that judge is retarded and should never be allowed to judge an MMA fight again.

I wouldn't have called it a 10-8 round for Maia, but it was closer to 10-8 Maia than 10-9 Munoz, that is for sure.

Dana White tweeted,

The judge that scored that 30- 27 should be BEAT WITH A STICK!!!!!!!!

and

And just for the record omigawa will get his win money cause he WON THAT FIGHT!!!!

Anyone know for sure when JDS will get his title match?

If you are of the betting variety, JDS has opened as the early favorite at -125 with Cain at -105

ty that shocks me that jds is the favorite i wod put money on cain 4 sure

Ty Webb;801197 wrote:Anyone know for sure when JDS will get his title match?

If you are of the betting variety, JDS has opened as the early favorite at -125 with Cain at -105

The rumor is at UFC 136 october 8th in Houston, Texas if Cain is ready by then

http://mmajunkie.com/news/23981/oddsmaker-oddessa-opens-champ-velasquez-as-a-150-favorite-over-dos-santos.mma

Oddsmaker Oddessa opens champ Velasquez as a -150 favorite over Dos Santos

I Wear Pants;800679 wrote:Not because of the Fedor fight. Because of his career, Gonzaga twice when he was in his prime, Overreem, both Emelianenkos, Bigfoot Silva. He's beat some pretty good dudes.

I'm not saying he would necessarily come in and win a championship or something but a lot of people are pretending that he got cut from the UFC because he was terrible or something. He lost to a prime Arlovski, won two fights, then lost to JDS. "Not turrable"

Just look at the dudes he's lost to, Sergei Kharitonov, Noguiera in his prime, Arlovski in his prime, and JDS. No scrubs there.

Again, not saying he would definitely win against any/all the top UFC guys but he would definitely put up good fights.

And please, many people can challenge Brock as long as they have a gameplan and are fit enough to stick to it. Plus it isn't like that dude's going to have many more fights.

I agree that Werdum is a good fighter and I like to watch him fight, but he isn't good enough to beat the top 3-4 guys in the UFC, he'd be top 5-7 in the UFC and have some good fights.

Overeem is the only SF HW that would compete at the top of the division.

If anything the Strikeforce heavyweights would bring a breath of fresh air to the UFC Heavyweight division and some very interesting match ups.

So who does everyone think will win Saturday in the 2 big fights?

bigdaddy2003;802923 wrote:So who does everyone think will win Saturday in the 2 big fights?

I'll take Overeem/Barnett/Carano.

jmog;802994 wrote:I'll take Overeem/Barnett/Carano.

Carano isn't fighting this weekend, she had to pull out. I'll take Overeem, Barnett and KJ Noons

robj55;803350 wrote:Carano isn't fighting this weekend, she had to pull out. I'll take Overeem, Barnett and KJ Noons

If I was with Carano, I'd pull out too. Might not be the most reliable protection, but whatev...

Just throwin' that out there.

Heretic;803476 wrote:If I was with Carano, I'd pull out too.

Just throwin' that out there.

Pull out? Knock that bitch up so she's yours for life

Ubereem/Barnett

Upcoming cards with big fights listed:

Strikeforce: Overeem vs. Werdum - June 18th on Showtime from Dallas, Texas
Alistair Overeem vs. Fabricio Werdum II in Grand Prix quarterfinal
Josh Barnett vs. Brett Rogers in Grand Prix quarterfinal
K.J. Noons vs. Jorge Masvidal

UFC on Versus 4 - June 26th on Versus from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
Nate Marquardt vs. Rick Story
Pat Barry vs. Cheick Kongo
Martin Kampmann vs. John Howard
Matt Mitrione vs. Christian Morecraft

UFC 132 - July 2nd on PPV from Las Vegas, Nevada
Dominick Cruz (c) vs. Urijah Faber II for UFC Bantamweight Title
Wanderlei Silva vs. Chris Leben
Tito Ortiz vs. Ryan Bader
Carlos Condit vs. Dong Hyun Kim
Denis Siver vs. Matt Wiman

Strikeforce: Fedor vs. Henderson - July 30th on Showtime from Chicago, Illinois
Fedor Emelianenko vs. Dan Henderson
Marloes Coenen (c) vs. Miesha Tate for Women's Welterweight Title
Muhammad Lawal vs. Roger Gracie
Rafael Cavalcante vs. Ovince St. Preux

UFC 133 - August 6th on PPV from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Rashad Evans vs. Phil Davis
Rich Franklin vs. Antonio Rogerio Nogueira
Yoshihiro Akiyama vs. Vitor Belfort
Jorge Rivera vs. Alessio Sakara
Vladimir Matyushenko vs. Alexander Gustafsson

UFC on Versus 5 - August 14th on Versus from Milwaukee, Wisconsin
Dan Hardy vs. Chris Lytle
Ben Henderson vs. Jim Miller
Karlos Vemola vs. Stephan Bonnar
Amir Sadollah vs. Duane Ludwig

UFC 134 - August 27th on PPV from Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
Anderson Silva (c) vs. Yushin Okami II for Middleweight Title
Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira vs. Brendan Schaub
Shogun Rua vs. Forrest Griffin II

Strikeforce 36 - September 10th on Showtime from TBA
Jacare Souza (c) vs. Luke Rockhold for Middleweight Title
Josh Thompson vs. Maximo Blanco

UFC Fight Night 25 - September 17th on Spike TV from New Orleans, Louisiana
Alan Belcher vs. Jason MacDonald
Dong Yi Yang vs. Court McGee

UFC 135 - September 24th on PPV from Denver, Colorado
Jon Jones (c) vs. Rampage Jackson for Light Heavyweight Title
Matt Hughes vs. Diego Sanchez

UFC 136 - October 8th on PPV from Houston, Texas
Cain Velasquez (c) vs. Junior dos Santos for Heavyweight Title

UFC 137 - October 29th on PPV from Las Vegas, Nevada
Georges St-Pierre (c) vs. Nate Diaz for UFC Welterweight Title

The Ultimate Fighter 14 Finale - December 3rd on Spike TV from Las Vegas, Nevada
Jason Miller vs. Michael Bisping
Finalist #1 vs. Finalist #2

UFC 140 - December 10th on PPV from Montreal, Canada
TBA

Upcoming cards with big fights listed:

UFC on Versus 4 - June 26th on Versus from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
Nate Marquardt vs. Rick Story
Pat Barry vs. Cheick Kongo
Matt Brown vs. John Howard
Matt Mitrione vs. Christian Morecraft

UFC 132 - July 2nd on PPV from Las Vegas, Nevada
Dominick Cruz (c) vs. Urijah Faber II for UFC Bantamweight Title
Wanderlei Silva vs. Chris Leben
Tito Ortiz vs. Ryan Bader
Carlos Condit vs. Dong Hyun Kim
Denis Siver vs. Matt Wiman

Strikeforce: Fedor vs. Henderson - July 30th on Showtime from Chicago, Illinois
Fedor Emelianenko vs. Dan Henderson
Marloes Coenen (c) vs. Miesha Tate for Women's Welterweight Title
Muhammad Lawal vs. Roger Gracie
Evangelista Santos vs. Paul Daley

UFC 133 - August 6th on PPV from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Rashad Evans vs. Phil Davis
Rich Franklin vs. Antonio Rogerio Nogueira
Yoshihiro Akiyama vs. Vitor Belfort
Jorge Rivera vs. Alessio Sakara
Vladimir Matyushenko vs. Alexander Gustafsson

UFC on Versus 5 - August 14th on Versus from Milwaukee, Wisconsin
Dan Hardy vs. Chris Lytle
Ben Henderson vs. Jim Miller
Karlos Vemola vs. Stephan Bonnar
Amir Sadollah vs. Duane Ludwig

UFC 134 - August 27th on PPV from Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
Anderson Silva (c) vs. Yushin Okami II for Middleweight Title
Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira vs. Brendan Schaub
Shogun Rua vs. Forrest Griffin II

Strikeforce 36 - September 10th on Showtime from TBA
Jacare Souza (c) vs. Luke Rockhold for Middleweight Title
Josh Thompson vs. Maximo Blanco

UFC Fight Night 25 - September 17th on Spike TV from New Orleans, Louisiana
Alan Belcher vs. Jason MacDonald
Dong Yi Yang vs. Court McGee

UFC 135 - September 24th on PPV from Denver, Colorado
Jon Jones (c) vs. Rampage Jackson for Light Heavyweight Title
Matt Hughes vs. Diego Sanchez

UFC 136 - October 8th on PPV from Houston, Texas
TBA

UFC 137 - October 29th on PPV from Las Vegas, Nevada
Georges St-Pierre (c) vs. Nate Diaz for UFC Welterweight Title

UFC 138 - November 19th on PPV from San Jose, California
Cain Velasquez (c) vs. Junior dos Santos for Heavyweight Title

The Ultimate Fighter 14 Finale - December 3rd on Spike TV from Las Vegas, Nevada
Jason Miller vs. Michael Bisping
Finalist #1 vs. Finalist #2

UFC 140 - December 10th on PPV from Montreal, Canada
TBA

Raw Dawgin' it;803477 wrote:Pull out? Knock that bitch up so she's yours for life

haha

RAMPAGE vs BONES?!?!?! Holy schnikes that's a huge fight! I cannot WAIT for that one.

Scarlet_Buckeye;804071 wrote:RAMPAGE vs BONES?!?!?! Holy schnikes that's a huge fight! I cannot WAIT for that one.

yep at ufc 135 in Denver, Rampage better be light and in the best shape of his life for that fight

Leonardo;803854 wrote:Upcoming cards with big fights listed:

[UFC on Versus 4 - June 26th on Versus from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
Nate Marquardt vs. Rick Story
Pat Barry vs. Cheick Kongo
Martin Kampmann vs. John Howard
Matt Mitrione vs. Christian Morecraft

Unfortunately Kampmann is out, he always brings it. Matt Brown is replacing him.

Stoked for the fights tonight. Picked up a bottle of booze and will probably grab some Chipotle.