IggyPride00;1299240 wrote:Heard an interesting point made today in the car on the way home about why Haslam and Banner almost have to fire Shurmur short of him finishing .500% or better.

If they give him a 1 year reprieve like Holmgren did Mangini, then at the start of next year should we come out of the gate at 1-3, 2-4 or something like that (we are notoriously slow starting) then we are all going to be on Shurmur Death watch by week 5-6 and the season is highly likely to spin out of control.

If Banner hires a new coach and we start slow, it is not the end of the world as no one is expecting a new coach to be fired at the end of the season short of going 0-16.

If Shurmur starts slow, suddenly it mushrooms into management having made the wrong decision just like with Mangini, and what week is he getting fired, and the narrative turns toxic immediately.

Not to mention we would be back at a "second first year" scenario again the year after which may make Browns fans want to blow their collective brains out.

There will be pressure on the team to continue showing improvement next year, but if Shurmur is given a 1 year try-out like Mangini got it just ramps it up that much more because the team and fan base know that if they get out slow then Shurmur is gone and major changes are coming.

Holmgren's credibility flew out the window when he had to fire Mangini after that first year as it basically was an indictment on his management ability with such a big flub right out of the box.

If Banner does the same thing it will similarly undercut his credibility if he has to fire Shurmur like Holmgren did keeping him on a year 2 long. Those guys make millions of dollars to know ahead of time whether it is or is not a fit.

Making a huge miss like that on your first big decision is hard to get out from underneath, which is why they need to just start over now with a clean slate.

like_that;1299242 wrote:Stopped reading.

shook_17;1300232 wrote:if you guys want some good lulz check out the colts forums

http://forums.colts.com/index.php?/topic/11655-thoughts-on-the-cleveland-browns/

wes_mantooth;1300268 wrote:wow...I didn't realize we run the ball a ton....Trent is probably worn out already.

lulz

Crimson streak;1300279 wrote:For those of you that want geno smith. Look what he's doing against an actual defense. Ouch

Crimson streak;1300279 wrote:For those of you that want geno smith. Look what he's doing against an actual defense. Ouch

IggyPride00;1300370 wrote:But, but Weeden's 50 years old and had one bad game his first game ever played in the pros, we desperately need to draft another QB!

IggyPride00;1300370 wrote:But, but Weeden's 50 years old and had one bad game his first game ever played in the pros, we desperately need to draft another QB!

Mulva;1300391 wrote:but I 100% don't see Weeden as a Super Bowl QB, which is all I give a shit about.

GoChiefs;1300425 wrote:Off the top of my head...
Brad Johnson
Mark Rypien
Jeff Hostetler
Trent Dilfer

I'm sure the same was said of them.

SportsAndLady;1300385 wrote:Geno is just 1 option. Never said I wanted the Browns to take him, just that there actually are franchise QBs available. There always are.

Sources: Joe Banner has final say
The Cleveland Browns' transition of power will first be reflected in the way the organization handles the NFL's trade deadline, one week from Tuesday.

According to sources around the league, Cleveland's new CEO Joe Banner, not the Browns' braintrust of president Mike Holmgren and general manager Tom Heckert, will have the final say on whether or not the Browns make any trades.

It is the surest sign of a shift in Cleveland. Any team that calls Cleveland to inquire about the availability of quarterback Colt McCoy or any other Browns player will need the input and approval of Banner.


In the past, Holmgren would have to approve any deal and he relied heavily on Heckert to engage in any trade talks, like the failed ones to trade up in April's NFL draft for Robert Griffin III or the successful ones to trade up for Trent Richardson.


But starting now and continuing through and beyond the NFL's trade deadline, Banner is boss.

IggyPride00;1300549 wrote:The Haslam regime is officially underway.

Heckert has been emasculated.

Adam Schefter posted this on ESPN this morning:


http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8533075/joe-banner-cleveland-browns-ceo-already-final-say-sources

BR1986FB;1300555 wrote:Well...if Banner is making the call on this without input from Heckert, we're fucked. Banner has NO clue about personnel/talent evaluation issues. He's strictly a cap guy.

Rotinaj;1300556 wrote:I'm sure banner isn't going to just do shit on a whim. Also, Heckert is going to be fired for a reason. He's nothing special.

BR1986FB;1300555 wrote:Well...if Banner is making the call on this without input from Heckert, we're ****ed. Banner has NO clue about personnel/talent evaluation issues. He's strictly a cap guy.

IggyPride00;1300558 wrote:All the more reason I firmly believe Heckert is out because Banner I think wants to expand beyond just being a cap guy, and getting a general manager he can easily control that is his guy will make that easier for him.