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Jul 12, 2012 9:40 PM
DeyDurkie5;1224587 wrote:I'm not even going to bother to respond to this. But we do need to fire heckertt over this move as the media and fans are obviously getting to him. I agree completely.
Yeah, that's exactly what I said...

My last post regarding you and weeden is a fact, your post is just a spin.
Jul 12, 2012 5:40pm
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Jul 12, 2012 9:49 PM
like_that;1224491 wrote:A non QQ post from iggy. I tell you what, this move might be better than I was giving it credit for!
im glad you are finally coming along!

weeden under center, trich in the backfield with little lined up to the right and gordon lined up to the left with norwood / cooper / massaquio in the slot?

i know mitchell is probably out, but if cooper makes the team which i think he will, who is the odd man out massaquio or norwood?
Jul 12, 2012 5:49pm
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Jul 12, 2012 10:45 PM
So NOW I see why Heckert took him with a 2nd...;)

Mary Kay Cabot ‏@MaryKayCabot
Heckert/Gordon: "Huge hands, long arms, I
drilled him pretty hard...he told me everything I thought I needed to hear from
him.''
Jul 12, 2012 6:45pm
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Jul 12, 2012 10:47 PM
From the Heckert presser...

Tom Withers ‏ @
twithersAP
‪ # Browns‬ coach Pat Shurmur on WR Josh
Gordon: "he possesses the skill and ability to be an outstanding player in this
league."


Tom Withers ‏ @
twithersAP
‪ # Browns‬ said they did extensive
homework on Gordon. "We're getting a really good football player," Heckert
said.


Nate Ulrich ‏ @
NateUlrichABJ
‪ # Browns‬ GM Tom Heckert on Gordon: I
don’t know if it was risky. He’s obviously a guy that can be an eventual starter
& make plays for us.


Nate Ulrich
‏ @ NateUlrichABJ
‪ # Browns‬ GM Tom Heckert said he was
going to bid on Gordon in 2nd round no matter what. Made decision before he knew
draft order.


Nate Ulrich ‏ @
NateUlrichABJ
‪ # Browns‬ GM Tom Heckert said he did
homework on Gordon. Talked to a zillion people & couldn't find anyone who
would say anything bad.


Nate Ulrich
‏ @ NateUlrichABJ
Heckert said unlike Greg Little's year off at UNC, Gordon practiced with Utah
last season.


Nate Ulrich ‏ @
NateUlrichABJ
Heckert: We hope Gordon comes in & plays right away. That's the goal.
That will depend on how he picks stuff up, but we expect him to
play.


Nate Ulrich ‏ @
NateUlrichABJ
Heckert on Weeden, TRich & Co: They're young, but we think we've got a lot better on offense in one draft, obviously if you add Josh in, too


Nate Ulrich ‏ @
NateUlrichABJ
Heckert said Gordon has potential to be No. 1 WR: He can start in the NFL.
That's obviously what we thought & that's what we still think.


Nate Ulrich ‏ @
NateUlrichABJ
Heckert said he's sure Weeden & Richardson will report to training camp
on time but didn't have any updates on the status of their
contracts


Nate Ulrich ‏ @
NateUlrichABJ
Heckert said he talked to Phil Taylor & Brian Norwood, an assistant at
Baylor, about Gordon. "Everybody loves this kid," Heckert said.


john telich ‏ @
JohnTelich8
I know Browns got Bernie in Supp draft...remember others picked up from like
USFL. Mack. Ice Cube, Minnifield... # Browns
Jul 12, 2012 6:47pm
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Jul 12, 2012 11:00 PM
Josh Gordon‏@JOSH_GORDONXIILet's go!! #DawgPoundNation

With the drafting of Gordon I'm thinking next years major need (1st rounder) will likely be a pass rushing DE opposite of Sheard with corner opposite of Haden being a close second.
Jul 12, 2012 7:00pm
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Jul 12, 2012 11:06 PM
I do like how he at least practiced with Utah. Hopefully he was working hard, also hopefully they sign him in time for training camp. What is the hold up with Weeden and Trich anyway?
Jul 12, 2012 7:06pm
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Jul 12, 2012 11:10 PM
like_that;1224621 wrote:I do like how he at least practiced with Utah. Hopefully he was working hard, also hopefully they sign him in time for training camp. What is the hold up with Weeden and Trich anyway?
T-Rich is waiting on Luck & RGIII to sign while I've heard Weeden wants his 4th year guaranteed. Gordon should sign fairly quickly as the parameters have pretty much been set by the signed 2nd rounders.
Jul 12, 2012 7:10pm
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Jul 12, 2012 11:35 PM
BR1986FB;1224618 wrote:Josh Gordon‏@JOSH_GORDONXIILet's go!! #DawgPoundNation

With the drafting of Gordon I'm thinking next years major need (1st rounder) will likely be a pass rushing DE opposite of Sheard with corner opposite of Haden being a close second.
I think OLB, guard, and safety will all be right up there too. OLB will be #1 in my opinion.
Jul 12, 2012 7:35pm
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Jul 13, 2012 1:07 AM
olb is a good one. if JMJ steps up this year they could go pass rusher. i would like to see a just tuck type on this time next year. god knows we need it.
Jul 12, 2012 9:07pm
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Jul 13, 2012 2:25 AM
like_that;1224591 wrote:Yeah, that's exactly what I said...

My last post regarding you and weeden is a fact, your post is just a spin.
My post isn't a spin. I did say I didn't want Weeden in the first. I was pissed we did it, then I came to terms that we needed to pull the trigger on a QB sooner or later so I was glad we did. If Heckert liked him, I am okay with it as I believe in how he evaluates talent. You came across as iggy in that post, sorry you can't accept that. OMG, we took a player, at a position of need, in the supplemental draft, Heckert is getting pursuaded by the fans!!! QQ
Jul 12, 2012 10:25pm
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Jul 13, 2012 4:38 AM
I love that he is embracing the city already


Josh Gordon ‏@JOSH_GORDONXII

#CavsNation just got their newest fan..



Josh Gordon ‏@JOSH_GORDONXII

#GoTribe



Josh Gordon ‏@JOSH_GORDONXII

I'm loving the ‪#DawgPound‬ already.. Can't wait to touch down in Cleveland and meet the fans..



Josh Gordon ‏@JOSH_GORDONXII

@PhilTaylor98 was right, Cleveland has the best fans in the country hands down..#DawgPound #OffTheLeash
Jul 13, 2012 12:38am
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Jul 13, 2012 9:23 AM
Mulva;1224641 wrote:I think OLB, guard, and safety will all be right up there too. OLB will be #1 in my opinion.
I say this because of Heckert's fondness for D-Line & corners high in the draft. He typically likes to find his LB's in later rounds.

Russ Lande's evaluation of Gordon. Lande usually does a good job. Had Gordon projected as a 1st/2nd rounder had he come out in 2011. Also likes him more than Stephen Hill & Brian Quick...

http://www.russlande.com/2012-mock-draft/
Jul 13, 2012 5:23am
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Jul 13, 2012 12:06 PM
Good find BR. I would have been fine with either Hill or Quick in the 2nd so I guess Gordon isn't as huge as a reach as I thought. I will say though, everyone makes excuses for Little and his drops as not playing football for a year, I hope we're not making the same excuses for Gordon this yr.
Jul 13, 2012 8:06am
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Jul 13, 2012 12:22 PM
Was listening to Tucker (Sirius XM) on the way in and was a bit surprised.

As a former Browns player he's VERY harsh on this regime. He railed on them for botching the RGIII thing, Holmgren's subsequent QQing about the Skins/Rams "good old boy network" and the Browns taking Weeden at 22 when they supposedly had him targeted at 37.

He LOVED the Gordon move and brought up a VERY good point. Getting Gordon this year was essentially using a 3rd round pick for a potential 1st round talent. According to draft charts a 2012 third rounder is the equivalent of a 2013 second rounder.

He also mentioned for the QQer's who think this was a "desparation move" that unless Holmgren & Heckert show improvement THIS year, it may be their LAST year. He said that people are bitching about "losing a high draft pick in NEXT years draft." His comment was "when will it be THIS year in Cleveland?" It's ALWAYS "wait until NEXT year." I agree with him 100%. It's only a "bad" pick or a "reach" if Gordon turns out to be a turd.

With guys like Weeden, Schwartz, T-Rich, Mack, Thomas, Pinkston, Little, Gordon & (perhaps) Benjamin on offense along with Haden, Ward, Sheard, Taylor, Rubin, DQ, and a few others, on defense I like this YOUNG nucleus. They just need time to get on the same page and learn how to win together. They may be a little slow out of the gate in 2012 but I expect to see a significant improvement in the final 8 games heading into 2013. It's going to be an exciting time to be a Browns fan, imo.
Jul 13, 2012 8:22am
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Jul 13, 2012 12:28 PM
I'll give H&H credit for this..I said before, it's so frustrating that they keep sitting back and not addressing the damn WR position. It's the one position they've just completely overlooked, essentially.

I am not in love with giving up a 2nd rounder for Gordon, but at least this tells me they're actually aware that hour WR group is not a good one, and they're willing to make a move to fix it.

They've been like the Browns in their first 10 years since moving the team to Baltimore and not addressing the O-Line position lol
Jul 13, 2012 8:28am
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Jul 13, 2012 12:50 PM
http://cle.scout.com/2/1201977.html
Jul 13, 2012 8:50am
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Jul 13, 2012 12:52 PM
unless Holmgren & Heckert show improvement THIS year, it may be their LAST year.
That is why I was so all in on reaching for Weeden and am fine with this. We didn't have another year to burn where we could "wait until next year" as some were advocating.

At least now all the growing pains will be had this year so we can prep for a bigger jump next year, rather than going through more of the same both this year and next as we broke in yet another new crop of rookies at the major skill positions.
Jul 13, 2012 8:52am
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Jul 13, 2012 12:54 PM
IggyPride00;1224928 wrote:That is why I was so all in on reaching for Weeden and am fine with this. We didn't have another year to burn where we could "wait until next year" as some were advocating.

At least now all the growing pains will be had this year so we can prep for a bigger jump next year, rather than going through more of the same both this year and next as we broke in yet another new crop of rookies at the major skill positions.
Agree with this. They couldn't have dicked around with the McCoy "experiment" another year. They didn't have that luxury.
Jul 13, 2012 8:54am
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Jul 13, 2012 1:14 PM
I like what the kid is saying, so far. I know that it's a pretty simplistic play but watch the 94 yard catch & run on the second video. Gordon is MUCH bigger than these defenders yet he outruns them relatively easily...

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2012/07/josh_gordon_cleveland_browns_n.html
Jul 13, 2012 9:14am
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Jul 13, 2012 1:22 PM
This is coming from a Baylor guy who watches them week in and week out (cut & pasted from the OBR)...

He’s a legit 6’3 225 4.4 guy. He ran the 4.52 Tuesday on a pulled quad. The strength and conditioning staff at BU thought they could get him to 4.35 territory. He’s not a straight line speed guy either, he can move. He’s T.O. with better speed, better hands, and more shake. He was coming out early if he hadn’t gotten kicked off the team. On talent he’s the best WR in the draft. He also catches with his hands. Never with the body. Hands are huge. Wingspan is huge.
Jul 13, 2012 9:22am
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Jul 13, 2012 4:16 PM
Commander of Awesome;1223235 wrote:Glad you're not the GM. Supplemental draft players rarely garner a 3rd (lol at raiders and pryor. Next highest offer I believe was a 5th, and one 6th). I'd be willing to gamble a 7th on a guy who hasn't played and doesn't have his head on straight. Also he pulled him hammy in his workout. Not a great sign IMO.
still happy I'm not the GM?
Jul 13, 2012 12:16pm
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Jul 13, 2012 4:28 PM
derek bomar;1225050 wrote:still happy I'm not the GM?
Very.
Jul 13, 2012 12:28pm
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Jul 13, 2012 4:39 PM
Commander of Awesome;1225057 wrote:Very.
just busting your balls dude
Jul 13, 2012 12:39pm
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Jul 13, 2012 4:51 PM
About friggin time....

http://networkedblogs.com/zQ9QT
Jul 13, 2012 12:51pm