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2012 Cleveland Browns thread: AKA Pat Shurmur Memorial thread

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Apr 18, 2012 2:43 PM
What does everyone think is the minumum number of wins needed for the front office guys to stick around? Also, if Holmgren/Heckert are fired, is Shurmur automatically gone too?
Apr 18, 2012 2:43pm
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Apr 18, 2012 2:47 PM
2kool4skool;1147070 wrote:What does everyone think is the minumum number of wins needed for the front office guys to stick around? Also, if Holmgren/Heckert are fired, is Shurmur automatically gone too?

I think they stay no matter what.
Apr 18, 2012 2:47pm
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Apr 18, 2012 2:48 PM
2kool4skool;1147070 wrote:What does everyone think is the minumum number of wins needed for the front office guys to stick around? Also, if Holmgren/Heckert are fired, is Shurmur automatically gone too?
Hopefully 12.
Apr 18, 2012 2:48pm
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Apr 18, 2012 5:09 PM
BR1986FB;1146718 wrote:Fun fact...did you know that David Veikune was selected ONE pick before Shady McCoy in the 2009 draft? :D
Heres another good one, Shawn Lauvao taken 3 picks ahead of Jimmy Graham.
Apr 18, 2012 5:09pm
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Apr 18, 2012 5:50 PM
I personally like Holmgren and Heckert and think they know what they're doing. On the other hand, I'm not a huge Shurmur fan... Hopefully our offense can improve since we now have an o-coordinator who can simply focus on his job.
Apr 18, 2012 5:50pm
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Apr 18, 2012 6:19 PM
Dr. KnOiTaLL;1146648 wrote:Thus, with this thought in mind, I expect the Browns to take Tannehill. It's the only way they could completely let all of us down, so that is likely what they will do.
That's my mindset too. I'm still surprised they didn't sign Flynn considering how much I didn't want him.
Apr 18, 2012 6:19pm
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Apr 18, 2012 6:40 PM
Dr. KnOiTaLL;1147274 wrote:I personally like Holmgren and Heckert and think they know what they're doing. On the other hand, I'm not a huge Shurmur fan... Hopefully our offense can improve since we now have an o-coordinator who can simply focus on his job.
Patty Boy looked in over his head last season. Can't believe he didn't hire an OC, the fact that Holmgren didn't make him pissed me off. Not a huge Chilly fan either, outside of the year with Farve, I haven't seen anything from him that leads me to believe he knows how to coach a good offense in this league.
Apr 18, 2012 6:40pm
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Apr 18, 2012 7:19 PM
Josh Sabo ‏ @
joshsabo15
Mayock on # Browns: "Have to take
Richardson. If u take Blackmon, u might not even be able to get him the ball on
a windy day in Cleveland."”
Apr 18, 2012 7:19pm
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Apr 18, 2012 7:23 PM
BR1986FB;1147316 wrote:Josh Sabo ‏ @
joshsabo15
Mayock on # Browns: "Have to take
Richardson. If u take Blackmon, u might not even be able to get him the ball on
a windy day in Cleveland."”
so does that mean the Browns should never draft a WR...because of the weather in Cleveland(where only half of the games are played) LOL
Apr 18, 2012 7:23pm
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Apr 18, 2012 7:26 PM
Pick6;1147321 wrote:so does that mean the Browns should never draft a WR...because of the weather in Cleveland(where only half of the games are played) LOL
No idea. Wasn't sure whether he was implying that you can't throw the ball in Cleveland during the winter (period) or if it was a slap at McCoy.
Apr 18, 2012 7:26pm
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Apr 18, 2012 7:28 PM
BR1986FB;1147324 wrote:No idea. Wasn't sure whether he was implying that you can't throw the ball in Cleveland during the winter (period) or if it was a slap at McCoy.
I'm guessing a slap at McCoy. Still wouldnt make sense not to draft Blackmon for that reason, though. If you don't think McCoy is good enough, you would assume that the Browns would do something about it at the end of next season or draft. So that statement would only be true for 1 season, Blackmon's rookie season where much isnt expected at that.
Apr 18, 2012 7:28pm
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Apr 18, 2012 7:35 PM
Pick6;1147325 wrote:I'm guessing a slap at McCoy. Still wouldnt make sense not to draft Blackmon for that reason, though. If you don't think McCoy is good enough, you would assume that the Browns would do something about it at the end of next season or draft. So that statement would only be true for 1 season, Blackmon's rookie season where much isnt expected at that.
Agreed. If they think Blackmon is an elite weapon (I don't), you don't NOT take him because you feel there's an issue with the current QB. The QB can eventually be replaced.
Apr 18, 2012 7:35pm
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Apr 18, 2012 7:43 PM
FYI...if anyone is interested in breaking down draft prospects, there are over 700 prospect videos here. Enjoy....

http://draftbreakdown.com/category/videos
Apr 18, 2012 7:43pm
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Apr 18, 2012 7:45 PM
I want richardson at 4. WR with our next pick, and then a RT with the 3rd. Would really help our offense to go that route.
Apr 18, 2012 7:45pm
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Apr 18, 2012 7:50 PM
DeyDurkie5;1147340 wrote:I want richardson at 4. WR with our next pick, and then a RT with the 3rd. Would really help our offense to go that route.
I want Luck at 4, Blackmon at 22, and Kalil at 37.
Apr 18, 2012 7:50pm
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Apr 18, 2012 7:51 PM
wes_mantooth;1147343 wrote:I want Luck at 4, Blackmon at 22, and Kalil at 37.
super bowl for sure. but at least mine is somewhat reasonable toof, you big jokester
Apr 18, 2012 7:51pm
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Apr 18, 2012 7:53 PM
wes_mantooth;1147343 wrote:I want Luck at 4, Blackmon at 22, and Kalil at 37.
Seems realistic. I think we could even trade back at 4 and grab Luck at around 9 and use the 2nd 2nd round pick on Michael Floyd
Apr 18, 2012 7:53pm
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Apr 18, 2012 7:55 PM
wes_mantooth;1147343 wrote:I want Luck at 4, Blackmon at 22, and Kalil at 37.
Maximum value right there. :D
Apr 18, 2012 7:55pm
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Apr 18, 2012 7:56 PM
hoops23;1147349 wrote:Seems realistic. I think we could even trade back at 4 and grab Luck at around 9 and use the 2nd 2nd round pick on Michael Floyd
I like it....Heckert will make this happen.
Apr 18, 2012 7:56pm
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Apr 18, 2012 8:29 PM
A grade "A" draft for the Browns according to Kiper...

Cleveland Browns
Top needs: QB, RB, WR, RT, CB, OLB
Rd 1 (4) RB Trent Richardson, Alabama
Rd 1 (22) T/G Cordy Glenn, Georgia
Rd 2 (37) QB Brandon Weeden, Oklahoma St.
Rd 3 (67) CB Dwight Bentley, Louisiana-Lafayette
Analysis: Richardson is simply a home run at No. 4. You rarely say that about a running back taken so high, but he has such a high floor as a prospect -- the only downside is injury, and that's such a perpetual issue, one that extends far beyond the running back position if you're looking close. Glenn is a versatile player who Cleveland will move to right tackle. He can be dominant as a run-blocker and has great initial pop, and with his presence, Joe Thomas on the left side and Richardson in the backfield, Cleveland has to feel pretty confident in an upgrade for the ground attack. Weeden is capable of pushing Colt McCoy right away (he's a few years older) and could be a steal. So he's older -- if the Browns get 6-8 good years from him, will anybody really care? Bentley is a nice piece at corner, where the team can use some help, even though I consider this a pretty good secondary.
Apr 18, 2012 8:29pm
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Apr 18, 2012 8:32 PM
blah...no receiver help for whoever is the qb...no thanks.
Apr 18, 2012 8:32pm
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Apr 18, 2012 8:37 PM
wes_mantooth;1147393 wrote:blah...no receiver help for whoever is the qb...no thanks.
Replace Cordy Glenn with a WR and make the Bentley pick a RT (Massie...if he falls?)
Apr 18, 2012 8:37pm
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Apr 18, 2012 8:39 PM
Yeah, I want to give McCoy a couple of elite weapons and see what he can do. I have my doubts, but give him everything you can. If he fails, we are going to be inline for barkley or the next flavor of the month..i.e. RG3
Apr 18, 2012 8:39pm
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Apr 18, 2012 8:39 PM
BR1986FB;1147398 wrote:Replace Cordy Glenn with a WR and make the Bentley pick a RT (Massie...if he falls?)
replace weeden with a WR and you have a great draft.
Apr 18, 2012 8:39pm
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Apr 18, 2012 8:41 PM
DeyDurkie5;1147402 wrote:replace weeden with a WR and you have a great draft.
Need a QB :D
Apr 18, 2012 8:41pm