Crimson streak;1144692 wrote:And Bradford is a solid qb, and well gabbert was a huge reach and wasn't ready to step into the nfl and play.

Crimson streak;1144713 wrote:Bradford had a bad year last year but for a rookie he was solid. And you mention the spread offenses in the big 12, but yet everyone wanted rg3? But he's going to suck because all those other big 12 qb's sucked before. Like u said it depends on the player. Weedon I do not want unless he slides to the 3rd. We have a lot of needs and we need impact players in the first 2 rounds. I'm just saying you can't not draft a qb because the other qb's in there conference weren't successful.

DeyDurkie5;1144707 wrote:

Regular Season Passing Stats
SEASON	TEAM	GP	CMP	ATT	CMP%	YDS	AVG	TD	LNG	INT	FUM	RAT
2010	STL	16	354	590	60.0	3,512	5.95	18	49	15	6	76.5
2011	STL	10	191	357	53.5	2,164	6.06	6	68	6	6	70.5

If you think that is a solid qb, then you have to think Colt McCOy is a solid QB.

Regular Season Passing Stats
SEASON	TEAM	GP	CMP	ATT	CMP%	YDS	AVG	TD	LNG	INT	FUM	RAT
2010	CLE	8	135	222	60.8	1,576	7.10	6	47	9	1	74.5
2011	CLE	13	265	463	57.2	2,733	5.90	14	56	11	5	74.6

DeyDurkie5;1144717 wrote:Yeah, and McCoy's numbers are comparable to Bradfords for each of his seasons in the league. Why do you not consider him solid? Such a retarded argument.

And I said, the only reason RG3 is wowing people is because of his dual thread status and his big arm/decent accuracy. You don't draft is solely on that, but it definitely comes into play.

hoops23;1144771 wrote:I think Colt is what the Browns need, if he proves he can play. He's running the WCO, so it's not like he's throwing 40 yard bombs every other play.

A good running game and some playmakers who can get YAC and the offense will be fine.

Crimson streak;1144783 wrote:Agreed. And if we get play makers around him and he fails we go after Barkley next year or even Wilson. It's a win win really.

IggyPride00;1144786 wrote:I remember hearing that same kind of trash before the NBA draft about how Duke players largely sucked in the league, so we should pass on Kyrie because of how it went for most of the others.

Sound logic for Cleveland fans to dismiss players because of things totally unrelated to their abilities.

IggyPride00;1144787 wrote:We will also be getting a new coaching staff, front office and starting all over again. Not quite that simple.

IggyPride00;1144786 wrote:I remember hearing that same kind of trash before the NBA draft about how Duke players largely sucked in the league, so we should pass on Kyrie because of how it went for most of the others.

Sound logic for Cleveland fans to dismiss players because of things totally unrelated to their abilities.

IggyPride00;1144786 wrote:I remember hearing that same kind of trash before the NBA draft about how Duke players largely sucked in the league, so we should pass on Kyrie because of how it went for most of the others.

Sound logic for Cleveland fans to dismiss players because of things totally unrelated to their abilities.

lhslep134;1144793 wrote:They're not similar situations.

The Big 12 thing has something to do with ability. Quarterbacks don't become prepared to succeed in the NFL by throwing the ball 50 times a game from shotgun in a hurry up offense playing against inferior opponents.

The numbers don't lie. The same people who tore up that league haven't done anything of significant value in the NFL. You're suggesting there's no causal link, and I strongly disagree.

SportsAndLady;1144806 wrote:I wonder if these guys even watch Big 12 football? It's literally throw a bubble screen or quick slant 75% of the time lol of course QBs are going to put up big numbers.

Crimson streak;1144807 wrote:No one is questioning the type of offenses they run why can't you get that through your head. Discrediting someone just because they played in the big 12 is just dumb. What if rg3 lights up the nfl does that change your perception?

Crimson streak;1144807 wrote:No one is questioning the type of offenses they run why can't you get that through your head. Discrediting someone just because they played in the big 12 is just dumb. What if rg3 lights up the nfl does that change your perception?

SportsAndLady;1144809 wrote:WE ARE NOT SAYING HE IS NOT GOING TO SUCCEED JUST BECAUSE HE'S FROM THE BIG12.

Crimson streak;1144807 wrote:What if rg3 lights up the nfl does that change your perception?

Crimson streak;1144810 wrote:Thats exactly what your saying. I don't want weedon either but I'm saying just bc he is from the big 12 doesn't mean he's going to fail. I don't want him cause he's 28 and does nothing for the browns at this point

Mr Miyagi;1144816 wrote:Everyone should remember this argument for next year when we have the first pick and people want Barkley. Name a franchise QB from USC. Sanchez ? Leinart? Anybody?