zach24oz;1138679 wrote:Trent Richardson‏@TrentRich03Love the brownie mascot. Bring back the elf

Well, I can't say I disagree with him.

like_that;1138651 wrote: " boo hoo we suck I don't have much time on this earth so we should make knee jerk decisions such as drafting a 28 year old QB, because I'm desperate and sick of losing."

Why? Because he's a BETTER QB than McCoy and could likely step in immediately and start? Also upgrade the offense instantly?

Stick with McCoy and you'll be "QQing', as you say, as much as anyone when they are 2-14 this year. Some of us would rather see some wins NOW instead of your "let's win in 10 year" plan when Joe Thomas is ready for retirement.

BR1986FB;1138726 wrote:Why? Because he's a BETTER QB than McCoy and could likely step in immediately and start? Also upgrade the offense instantly?

You know this how?

DeyDurkie5;1138738 wrote:You know this how?

I watch tape too. Just like you, for some God forsaken reason think McCoy can lead this team to the playoffs. Opinion. We've gone around & around on this. No sense beating the dead horse, AGAIN.

BR1986FB;1138751 wrote:I watch tape too. Just like you, for some God forsaken reason think McCoy can lead this team to the playoffs. Opinion. We've gone around & around on this. No sense beating the dead horse, AGAIN.

I don't think McCoy can lead us to the playoffs. I think great defense, and a great running game(richardson) can. McCoy can manage the game, just like he did in those wins against Saints, Patriots, etc. He's also got a year and a half of NFL game speed under his belt, while Weeden doesn't. With a great draft, it's not hard to see this team in or around the playoffs.

The whole McCoy to the super bowl thing is obviously just a joke to get you going, as I don't think it's possible. But I definitely see, with a great draft in a couple weeks, this team being in the playoff hunt.

Not this year (playoffs).

I really would hate to see us use a first round pick on Weeden; however, it would be interesting to take Blackmon, and then come back and get Weeden at 37 if he is available. That would probably be the only way I'm interested in grabbing Weeden with one of our first three picks.

BR1986FB;1138726 wrote:Why? Because he's a BETTER QB than McCoy and could likely step in immediately and start? Also upgrade the offense instantly?

Stick with McCoy and you'll be "QQing', as you say, as much as anyone when they are 2-14 this year. Some of us would rather see some wins NOW instead of your "let's win in 10 year" plan when Joe Thomas is ready for retirement.

I have never said McCoy is our answer, but I sure as hell don't want to desperaately waste a draft pick on either of the two QBs who should not even be mentioned as first or second round talents. Its unbelievable how many average QBs are getting drafted in the first round. If McCoy came out last year, or for this draft he would be a first round pick. It's ridiculous.

You don't know if Weeden would start, and if he did, how would he be instantly better as a rookie? Because he is 28? The guy would be in the same position as McCoy, an offense with no weapons. If he is better than McCoy it would be such a small difference that no one would notice, and everyone will be bitching and moaning next off season as well. The only difference is, instead of saying "hey he was a young rookie, he can improve these next few seasons," we will be talking about how his age is getting closer to retirement lmao.

I want to win just as bad as any Browns fan here. I think we are all on the same page there. We are all sick and tired of the pile of shit they put on the field year in and year out. Taking a risk on a sub par QB in the first or second round is not the answer to expediting the process to success. You might as well draft guys with MUCH higher value/guys who are very likely to be contributing to the team. You just gotta face it. Outside Luck and RGIII none of these QBs are worth that high of a pick. I'm telling you right now, if the Browns and Dolphins pass up on them, they could easily fall to the 4th round, as they should

Have you not realized how far this team was set back because of the 2008 draft (what we had 3 or 4 picks? lmao), and then followed by the Womangini/Kokinis draf?. How many of those guys are even on the team anymore?

SMH, you guys really need to take a step back and take a look at how far this roster has come since then.

like_that;1138760 wrote:SMH, you guys really need to take a step back and take a look at how far this roster has come since then.

We still need a QB, RB, 2 receivers, an RT, a guard, probably a TE, another rush DE, depth at DT, an OLB, a CB, and a S.

You're basically defending the process by pointing out that we've gone from being awful and 4 steps behind the rest of the league to awful and only 3 steps behind. Rosters that have "come so far since then" don't finish 4-12.

You want to talk about being set back? It's basically accepted by everyone that we'll be spending early round picks on positions (QB and RB) that the current regime drafted in the 2nd and 3rd round just 2 years ago. When you're building exclusively through the draft, how far does that set you back? It's just not good enough.

I completely agree with you about Weeden though.

Bills cornerback Leodis McKelvin

McKelvin
was the 11th pick in the 2008 draft, so he's a holdover from an old Bills
regime. And McKelvin hasn't played remotely well enough to earn a spot in GM
Buddy Nix and coach Chan Gailey's long-term plans. McKelvin is entering the
final year on his rookie deal. He's not getting an extension and won't be a 2012
starter, so it makes the most sense for Buffalo to move him now.


McKelvin still has talent and youth (26) on his side. Dick Jauron was
Bills coach when McKelvin was drafted, and now runs the defense in Cleveland. A
move like this could make the Browns more comfortable bypassing Morris Claiborne in favor of offense
at the No. 4 pick. The Browns have 13 draft choices after compensatory picks
were distributed, so they'll be open to wheeling and dealing. McKelvin is a
right corner by nature, and a logical fit opposite LCB Joe Haden.

- Word is Bobby Massie is the other junior offensive tackle that could slide into the late part of round one. Depending on whether or not they select Ryan Tannehill at the top of the draft we’ve been told the Cleveland Browns will consider Massie with their second round choice. The other two teams mentioned in the conversation were the New York Giants and Pittsburgh Steelers.

- The consensus has Coby Fleener of Stanford as the top rated tight end in the draft. Most boards then have Dwayne Allen of Clemson. So who ranks third at the position? Our feeling is Ladarius Green of Louisiana Lafayette will be selected much earlier than people presently predict and its an opinion that’s shared by a number of teams. Green has visited the Miami Dolphins and Cleveland Browns, who don’t expect the big tight end to be around when they are called to the clock in round three.

http://www.draftinsider.net/blog/?p=6216

http://twitpic.com/96jeny

Cast your ballot...

http://espn.go.com/espn/page2/story/_/page/people/fiat-people-draft-vote-first-round-selections-2012-nfl-draft

BR1986FB;1138799 wrote:Cast your ballot...

http://espn.go.com/espn/page2/story/_/page/people/fiat-people-draft-vote-first-round-selections-2012-nfl-draft

Too bad H + H are probably the ones who voted for David in that ballot...

BR1986FB;1138383 wrote:Pro Football Focus grades the 2008-2010 players drafted by the Browns...

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/04/05/draft-grader-cleveland-browns/

So this guy calls MoMass and Robo complete and total busts...and McCoy a partial bust. Hmmmm. Interesting. Maybe he's right.

This team needs wide receivers more than a quarterback.

like_that;1138651 wrote:And one can surely find the 45+ year old Browns fan. "I am older and watched more football than you, I know what I'm talking about!" or " boo hoo we suck I don't have much time on this earth so we should make knee jerk decisions such as drafting a 28 year old QB, because I'm desperate and sick of losing."

Whatta joke. Can't wait for a ridiculous prediction from you this year. Browns should easily win 10 games right?

Cue the "wow you are obsessed with me and know too much about me" fail response.

The "all pwn team" has spoken. Everybody clap their hands.

Dr. KnOiTaLL;1138804 wrote:Too bad H + H are probably the ones who voted for David in that ballot...

I actually think he'll be a pretty solid player. I wouldn't pick him at 22, but if he's there in round 2 I would consider him.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2012/04/making_the_case_for_and_agains.html

@gregcosell: Asked re: Floyd. See some D. Bowe in him. Big WR with better quicks
and movement the more I watched. Think I like Floyd more than
Blackmon.

@gregcosell: Don't think Blackmon/Floyd at same level as Green from last yr. Neither has that kind of explosion. But can only eval players in given draft

@gregcosell: Asked re: Sanu. Another player anxious to see
where drafted. Reminds me of Colston. Excellent between the numbers WR w/strong
hands.

@gregcosell: Lot of tall linear WR in draft. McNutt, Cunningham 2 more. Straight line long striders w/deceptive build up speed. Isolation rts on outside?.

@gregcosell: Criner tough film eval. Limited rts in ARZ O. Big
linear WR with some build up speed but little suddenness or burst. Some
run-after-catch.

@gregcosell: WR Hill difficult eval. Ran few routes at
GT. Straight line WR who didn't play as fast on film as timed Combine 40. Minus
lateral quicks.

@gregcosell: Watched FIU Hilton FIU. Natural quicks as
rte runner. Ability to set up corners with vertical stem. Run after catch.
Transitions as slot WR

@gregcosell: No WR in this draft as good as A.
Johnson or C. Johnson when they came out. Blackmon/Floyd not in that category.
Randle intrigues me most.

@gregcosell: Like WR Randle. Smooth, athletic,
acceleration off the LOS. Belive he can win isolation routes on outside as "x".
Similarities to H. Nicks.

@gregcosell: No one talking about WF Givens.
Quick acceleration on vertical rtes. Explosive. Just as fast vrtically as BU
Wright. Inconsistent hands.

@gregcosell: Intriguing WR I watched was NV
Matthews. Exclusive plus splits. Strong hands. A little stiff but sense of pace
as rt runner. Run after catch

@gregcosell: Be interesting to see where
Wright goes. Explosive vertically on film. Question is can align on the outside.
Is he D. Jackson, or just slot?

@gregcosell: Like both ARK WR Adams +
Wright as slot WR. Wright quick twitch + sudden. Explosive down vertical seams.
Adams great quicks at top of rts.

^So that guy likes every WR in the draft..gotcha

Not necessarily. Didn't say anything about liking Blackmon and liked Floyd more.

I do like floyd. Big receiver, and he dominated the games he played in. He won't be available at 22 though, which sucks. If we could get richardson/floyd somehow, that would be the ultimate first round.

DeyDurkie5;1139208 wrote:I do like floyd. Big receiver, and he dominated the games he played in. He won't be available at 22 though, which sucks. If we could get richardson/floyd somehow, that would be the ultimate first round.

Agree. Don't see Floyd or even Wright being there at 22.

Tony Grossi ‏
@
TonyGrossi


“ @ OconRecon: Why is Blackmon
sliding while Floyd is rising?”//Better size and speed, lessening of concern
with his DUIs.

DeyDurkie5;1138798 wrote:http://twitpic.com/96jeny

Guess it sounds like this T-Rich Twitter account is a phony...

Nate Ulrich ‏ @
NateUlrichABJ

@ TrentRich03 is not the real Trent
Richardson, according to Alabama athletics communications

AP reports Oklahoma State QB Brandon Weeden spent Sun. night & almost all of Mon. at #Browns' headquarters: http://yhoo.it/HnpnDD.#NFL

Dr. KnOiTaLL;1139226 wrote:AP reports Oklahoma State QB Brandon Weeden spent Sun. night & almost all of Mon. at #Browns' headquarters: http://yhoo.it/HnpnDD.#NFL

I think they are doing this with a few because I think Claiborne & Richardson may have stayed over too.