BR1986FB;1136721 wrote:I thought that too, and still want Richardson, but if the QB position stays "static', what's going to change? Defenses will now sell out for the run (8 in the box again because T-Rich will be the biggest offensive threat) and dare #12 to beat them over the top. Same old, same old. If you have a QB with at least the "threat" of a cannon, it's going to loosen up things along the LOS.

BR1986FB;1136722 wrote:Dan Murphy ‏ @ DMurph_BrownsPR # Browns 2012 Preseason Schedule: at Det (Aug 9-13), at GB (Aug 16-20), vs Phi (Aug 23-26) & vs Chi (Aug 29-30). Exact dates announced later

like_that;1136725 wrote:I wouldn't mind the FO modeling the team like the Texans. Let's be honest here, Matt Schaub is a system QB, and plays very well in the system. Their running game opens up many big plays for Matt, and it makes it a lot easier on him. Along with that their defense keeps them in every game, and puts the offense in a great position to win.

Now, I am not comparing Schaub and McCoy, and I am not saying Schaub is easily expendable for Houston, but you can't really think the guy could go on any team and instantly make them better. The Texans played pretty well with a rookie QB the 2nd half of the season.

BR1986FB;1136729 wrote:Schaub may not be a top 5 QB but there's always the threat that he can beat you deep. Even with an Andre Johnson-type I don't see that being the case here in Cleveland with the current QB.

like_that;1136732 wrote:Maybe not, but you can work toward that model while finding your QB, instead of making a knee jerk draft pick such as Weeden or Tannehill.

A great running game will open up many plays for the offense, especially in the AFC North.

DeyDurkie5;1136679 wrote:you are a moron

BR1986FB;1136734 wrote:Why is Weeden a "knee jerk draft pick?" If the guy is 22 years old he's probably a top three pick in this draft.

Big fucking whoopty do if he's 28. So he only gives you 5-6 good years. If they see him as a significant upgrade over McCoy, take him and continue drafting a later "project" QB until he fizzles out.

With the shit we've seen at QB since 1999, HOW many people would be fine with 5-6 years of consistent QB play? I would...

shook_17;1136756 wrote:I don't get why age has anything to do with people not wanting weeden. Who gives a shit if he is 28. Like a previous poster said, if he is 22 23 he is a top 10 pick easily. Age has nothing to do with talent. The dude can straight game, he has a cannon and can probably come in and start. If we got 5 to 7 good years out of him its more than any other qb since we came back in NFL. If they FO feels he can come in and contribute I am all for it, if not I will stick behind them, even if it means another year of colt.

DeyDurkie5;1136760 wrote:1st pick: Richardson
2nd pick: trade up for michael floyd?


Also, drafting weeden that high would be a mistake. Regardless of age or not.

Commander of Awesome;1136761 wrote:I'm not sure if he were 22 he would be a top 3 pick. I certaintly haven't read this anywhere except here.

like_that;1136772 wrote:Trading up to get floyd would be a mistake too, when there are plenty of talented WRs this draft.

DeyDurkie5;1136775 wrote:We have 13 draft picks. We can certainly use one of those to trade up for a number 1 receiver like Floyd.

like_that;1136782 wrote:My point is why even trade picks, when there are plenty of good WRs? 4 of those 13 picks are in the 6th/7th round. A team is going to want more than just 6th and 7th round picks to give up their position in the first round. If anything get a WR at 22, and then trade back up in the first round to get an OT.

DeyDurkie5;1136784 wrote:Floyd, in my opinion, is probably the most talented WR after Blackmon. I would definitely trade up to get him, rather than settling for someone like Hill. Richardson and Floyd in the first round would be amazing.

like_that;1136483 wrote:Wasn't the offense ranked near the bottom lol? I am not quite sure, I normally see iggy QQing about it, but I never check to see if its true. If it's true, respond with that, or ask him if Shurmur ran sweeps to his 10th string TE on 4th and 1 after his RB was averaging about 3-4 yards a carry.

You can also tell him, "yes we did miss his entire season with st louis, because you know, we were watching our own team."

IggyPride00;1136840 wrote:2009: 29th
2010: 26th
2011: 29th

Those are the team total offense rankings for the 3 seasons Shumur has called plays in the NFL.

Someone should be so kind as to tweet that to that reporter and ask him how on God's green earth someone who's team has never finished above the bottom 15% of the league in total offense in 3 seasons calling plays can be considered a bright offensive mind.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=false&conference=null&role=TM&offensiveStatisticCategory=GAME_STATS&defensiveStatisticCategory=null&season=2011&seasonType=REG&tabSeq=2&qualified=true&Submit=Go

IggyPride00;1136840 wrote:2009: 29th
2010: 26th
2011: 29th

Those are the team total offense rankings for the 3 seasons Shumur has called plays in the NFL.

Someone should be so kind as to tweet that to that reporter and ask him how on God's green earth someone who's team has never finished above the bottom 15% of the league in total offense in 3 seasons calling plays can be considered a bright offensive mind.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=false&conference=null&role=TM&offensiveStatisticCategory=GAME_STATS&defensiveStatisticCategory=null&season=2011&seasonType=REG&tabSeq=2&qualified=true&Submit=Go

Tigerfan00;1136901 wrote:just got a response from Nagler, "It took you all day to come up with that info, well done".

Tigerfan00;1136922 wrote:He also said, "You think Shurmur is a bum, I dont. a 6 pack of your favorite beer if they finish in the bottom half of the league on offense".

My response, "no matter who the coach is it isnt going to change what Cleveland fans have to endure in all sports, easy bet"