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Mar 28, 2012 8:43 PM
lhslep134;1130384 wrote:I would be ecstatic. I still don't understand how there's a knock on Blackmon.
I just don't think there's value taking him at 4.

I know the saying about running backs being "a dime a dozen" but I'd rather take Richardson there in that I think he would have a greater immediate impact on the offense. I think there's a bigger gap/diffence in talent between Richardson and the #2 RB in this draft than there is between Blackmon and the #2 WR. For some, Blackmon may not EVEN be the top WR.

I'm starting to sour on the thought of Claiborne at 4, so I'm sure that will be the pick. :laugh: I'd rather see RT, WR & RB in no particular order.
Mar 28, 2012 8:43pm
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Mar 28, 2012 9:04 PM
What makes Blackmon NOT the top WR? Is it the fact he can't be guarded? Because he's got the best film of any WR and it's not close except for Floyd.
Mar 28, 2012 9:04pm
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Mar 28, 2012 9:04 PM
Blackmon is Crabbtree part 2. No thanks.
Mar 28, 2012 9:04pm
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Mar 28, 2012 9:05 PM
lhslep134;1130399 wrote:What makes Blackmon NOT the top WR? Is it the fact he can't be guarded? Because he's got the best film of any WR and it's not close except for Floyd.
No great size, not great speed, not great hands. Played in spread offense with the worst pass defense in NCAAF. That's the knock.
Mar 28, 2012 9:05pm
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Mar 28, 2012 9:07 PM
lhslep134;1130384 wrote:I would be ecstatic. I still don't understand how there's a knock on Blackmon.
Well the scouts that do this for a living disagree with you. He may be the best in this draft (there is disagreement), but he isn't on the same level as AJ Green of last year. I'd rather have T. Rich at #4 also, even though it's early for a RB. The best outcome is still to trade down with the Rams and get their 2nd and whatever else.
Mar 28, 2012 9:07pm
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Mar 28, 2012 9:08 PM
like_that;1130381 wrote:Cleveland Browns ‏ @
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Heckert on adding 4 compensatory picks “13 guys that’s probably a little bit
more than you want but I’m not complaining at al


AKA he will be packaging picks.
What he said made zero sense. It's probably more than you want...means you are complaining
Mar 28, 2012 9:08pm
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Mar 28, 2012 9:11 PM
I think he meant you don't want that many compensatory picks because it means you lost players to free agency.
Mar 28, 2012 9:11pm
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Mar 28, 2012 9:13 PM
Mulva;1130414 wrote:I think he meant you don't want that many compensatory picks because it means you lost players to free agency.
Oh okay, that makes sense
Mar 28, 2012 9:13pm
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Mar 28, 2012 9:15 PM
Commander of Awesome;1130400 wrote:Blackmon is Crabbtree part 2. No thanks.
+1

Sad thing is, he is still probably better than the WR's we have on the roster.
Mar 28, 2012 9:15pm
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Mar 28, 2012 9:22 PM
Blackmon is going to be a beast. LOL @ he won't be good because Crabtree was a bust. That's the worst logic I've ever heard.
Mar 28, 2012 9:22pm
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Mar 28, 2012 9:24 PM
I think Crabtree is a pretty good receiver.
Mar 28, 2012 9:24pm
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Mar 28, 2012 9:40 PM
I agree on Crabtree he's pretty legit. The problem is he has Alex Smith and an uncover able TE on his team.
Mar 28, 2012 9:40pm
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Mar 28, 2012 9:45 PM
BR1986FB;1130335 wrote:http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/post/_/id/44896/chatting-with-qb-prospect-brandon-weeden

LOL...

Skip Bayless ‏ @
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Had Brandon Weeden on show today. He outplayed Luck and RG3 last yr. Very
underrated, even though 28. Browns should take him at No. 4.
That is likely the most retarded thing Skip has ever said. The Browns should waste their #4 pick on a 28 year old system QB?

My god.
Mar 28, 2012 9:45pm
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Mar 28, 2012 9:46 PM
SportsAndLady;1130427 wrote:Blackmon is going to be a beast. LOL @ he won't be good because Crabtree was a bust. That's the worst logic I've ever heard.
I didn't say that, nice fail tubby. I think their college build, abilities and careers are very similar. Not surprised that point went over your head though. You can disgree, and think he's going to be a beast but don't put words in my mouth.
Mar 28, 2012 9:46pm
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Mar 28, 2012 9:47 PM
In 3 seasons in the NFL Crabtree has made 175 receptions for 2,240 yards and 12 td's. That's an average of 58 receptions, 746 yards, and 4 td's a season. That's basically what Greg Little had last season....and he was a 2nd round pick.


Trent Richardson is a better value at #4 because the drop off of talent after him.....Did Blackmon have a great career in college....absolutely. BUT I still think the top 5 receivers are very close in talent level.
Mar 28, 2012 9:47pm
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Mar 28, 2012 9:47 PM
SportsAndLady;1130427 wrote:Blackmon is going to be a beast. LOL @ he won't be good because Crabtree was a bust. That's the worst logic I've ever heard.
I was just going to post this. Such a retarded statement
Mar 28, 2012 9:47pm
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Mar 28, 2012 10:01 PM
Commander of Awesome;1130466 wrote:I didn't say that, nice fail tubby. I think their college build, abilities and careers are very similar. Not surprised that point went over your head though. You can disgree, and think he's going to be a beast but don't put words in my mouth.
Where did I say you were the one who said that, faggy?
Mar 28, 2012 10:01pm
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Mar 28, 2012 10:04 PM
SportsAndLady;1130497 wrote:Where did I say you were the one who said that, faggy?
Faggy? Glad to see you got nothing.
Mar 28, 2012 10:04pm
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Mar 28, 2012 10:05 PM
OQB;1130470 wrote:In 3 seasons in the NFL Crabtree has made 175 receptions for 2,240 yards and 12 td's. That's an average of 58 receptions, 746 yards, and 4 td's a season. That's basically what Greg Little had last season....and he was a 2nd round pick.


Trent Richardson is a better value at #4 because the drop off of talent after him.....Did Blackmon have a great career in college....absolutely. BUT I still think the top 5 receivers are very close in talent level.
Who cares how good Trent is..or how much impact he'd have this year...AP could be their at #4, and I'd pass on him. RB's are worthless in the NFL. YOu can plug in anybody in an offense with a good passing game, and they'll succeed.

Packers-Grant, Saine, Starks
Patriots-Green-Ellis, Ridley, Woodhead
Saints-Thomas, Ivory, Sproles, Ingram
Mar 28, 2012 10:05pm
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Mar 28, 2012 10:06 PM
Commander of Awesome;1130498 wrote:Faggy? Glad to see you got nothing.
Well you called me tubby, so I had to give an "incredibly gay thing to call a guy" insult back to you
Mar 28, 2012 10:06pm
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Mar 28, 2012 10:09 PM
SportsAndLady;1130503 wrote:Who cares how good Trent is..or how much impact he'd have this year...AP could be their at #4, and I'd pass on him. RB's are worthless in the NFL. YOu can plug in anybody in an offense with a good passing game, and they'll succeed.

Packers-Grant, Saine, Starks
Patriots-Green-Ellis, Ridley, Woodhead
Saints-Thomas, Ivory, Sproles, Ingram
Or a good o line. What separates the good RBs with a line vs the elite RBs is what they do in open field after they burst through a hole.

AP is great, but look where Minny is at with him now. He might miss part of the season, and even when he is back, how effective will he be? He has been the best RB in the game, yet minnesota has had 2 losing seasons in a row with him now.
Mar 28, 2012 10:09pm
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Mar 28, 2012 10:12 PM
SportsAndLady;1130505 wrote:Well you called me tubby, so I had to give an "incredibly gay thing to call a guy" insult back to you
Why I gotta be gay?

Mar 28, 2012 10:12pm
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Mar 28, 2012 10:13 PM
like_that;1130510 wrote:Or a good o line. What separates the good RBs with a line vs the elite RBs is what they do in open field after they burst through a hole.

AP is great, but look where Minny is at with him now. He might miss part of the season, and even when he is back, how effective will he be? He has been the best RB in the game, yet minnesota has had 2 losing seasons in a row with him now.
Exactly.

But yeah, lets still take Richardson, and pass on adding a legit #1 WR threat to our offense for the first time since Braylon Edwards actually had a good season...because you know, Crabtree wasn't a #1, so Blackmon won't either.
Mar 28, 2012 10:13pm
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Mar 28, 2012 10:22 PM
SportsAndLady;1130515 wrote:Exactly.

But yeah, lets still take Richardson, and pass on adding a legit #1 WR threat to our offense for the first time since Braylon Edwards actually had a good season...because you know, Crabtree wasn't a #1, so Blackmon won't either.
Obviously hit a nerve with tubby, apologies.

Braylon had one good season, and is twice the athlete Blackmon is. My issue is that Blackmon reminds me of, IE very similar college game to Michael Crabbtree. Put up great stats, etc...can't produce at same level in NFL. He lacks any elite tools to make him worth the #4 overall pick in the draft. You draft a WR that high he needs to be AJ Green/Calvin Johnson IMO. Crabbtree's production hasn't even warranted a first round pick let alone top 10.

Sorry I'll be sure to spell everything out for you in the future so your feelings don't get hurt and you get up in arms over my opinion. I don't want to get called "faggy" again, really hurt my feelz.
Mar 28, 2012 10:22pm
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Mar 28, 2012 10:30 PM
Blackmon is goin to be a beast in the NFL. Comparing him to Crabtree and then basically saying he will be like Crabtree is just retarded.
Mar 28, 2012 10:30pm