BR1986FB;1129483 wrote:"Top 15 defense?" See my comment about "middle of the pack." A "top 15 defense", with 32 teams in the league is "middle of the pack." I'll give them that but they are not this great "top 10 defense" like you're making them out to be.

BR1986FB;1129483 wrote:"Top 15 defense?" See my comment about "middle of the pack." A "top 15 defense", with 32 teams in the league is "middle of the pack." I'll give them that but they are not this great "top 10 defense" like you're making them out to be.

wes_mantooth;1129492 wrote:I will take the other side of the argument. If they had a somewhat capable offense, they aren't on the field as much, which pushes them to around 10th or so. Time of possession was a killer. I think they need to add depth, but i am not the least bit worried on defense...except maybe a linebacker.

like_that;1129455 wrote:The defense has been getting better every year since Heckert has been here. They have been a top half defense in pts allowed (ultimately what it comes down to) since Heckert has been here. Let's not forget a defense with less talent faced QBs such as Drew Brees and Tom Brady and did fairly well. The defense is just going to be better. Maybe their stats will regress because they face tougher QBs, but not that much, sorry. The NFC East QBs aren't what you are making them out to be, ESPECIALLY Romo and Vick.

DeyDurkie5;1129490 wrote:Then I should clarify, they will be a top 10 defense next year. They brought everyone back, and added a run stopping end to help with that. Not to mention 13 picks in the draft to try and get immediate starters on both sides of the ball. To say they will regress is just a blind statement

BR1986FB;1129506 wrote:I'd actually take that bet (that they WON'T be a top 10 defense) but I don't want to beat you TWICE when Colt McCoy does NOT "start the WHOLE year AND take them to the playoffs in the 2012-2013 season." :laugh:

BR1986FB;1129499 wrote:Last year this defense faced juggernauts such as Bruce Gradkowski/Andy Dalton (before he broke out), Kerry Collins, Chad Henne (who actually did well against them), Matt Hasselbeck, Jason Campbell/Kyle Boller, Charlie Whitehurst, Alex Smith, Sam Bradford, Blaine Gabbert & John Skelton along with the usual AFC North suspects.

This year they get Romo, Vick, RG3, Eli & Peyton Manning, Matt Cassel, Palmer, Philip Rivers, Andrew Luck, along with the usual AFC North suspects. You may say this list isn't impressive but for Christ sakes, look at the God awful list from last year.

SportsAndLady;1129512 wrote:BR is just the worst Browns fan ever..anyone who sucks skyhook's 1 incher is not cool in my book

BR1986FB;1129513 wrote:We'll see. Hope you guys are right but all I see is a bunch of shitty QB's that they faced last year that gave them misleading numbers.

DeyDurkie5;1129516 wrote:avatar/sig bet on top 10 defense?

BR1986FB;1129518 wrote:Possible on the avatar. I'm still thinking about it since the McCoy bet is already a "win/win" for you.

BR1986FB;1129514 wrote:Well you obviously HAVE it you know it's a "1 incher." That's not information that I had knowledge of before you just mentioned it, Lollipop Kid/Midget Boy.

BR1986FB;1129518 wrote:Possible on the avatar. I'm still thinking about it since the McCoy bet is already a "win/win" for you.

SportsAndLady;1129530 wrote:Again, did you go to college? Did you graduate high school?

Who does a win/win (for the other person) bet?

SportsAndLady;1129532 wrote:Also, what the fuck does lollipop kid mean?

And what high school dropout world do you live in where 6'1 = midget?

BR1986FB;1129536 wrote:Lollipop Kids were the midgets from the Wizard of Oz and yes, you're a midget.

SportsAndLady;1129544 wrote:Whatever you say Mark McGuire

DeyDurkie5;1129444 wrote:Browns fans are the worst. I'm convincced that only 10% of these fans are actually logical in their fanhood.


Take a guy like footwedge for example. Ripping on a player who hadn't played the year before he was drafted, coming into the nfl and being a starter immediately, at one of the hardest positions to learn, and actually performing decently at times. I just will never understand people sometimes.