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2012 Cleveland Browns thread: AKA Pat Shurmur Memorial thread

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Mar 16, 2012 8:54 PM
DeyDurkie5;1118829 wrote:no thanks on kendall wright.

Same here
Mar 16, 2012 8:54pm
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Mar 16, 2012 8:59 PM
Why Cleveland or any team for that matter should avoid any QB but the very select few. LUCK only. this year.

34 qbs selected in the 1st round from 1999 to present.

The vast majority were not a value to select in the first round.

Tim Couch
Donavon McNabb Value
Cade Mcnown
Chad Pennington
Michael Vick ?? Value for the first round is debatable.
Patrick Ramsey
Joey Harrington
David Carr
Rex Grossman
Kyle Boller
Byron Leftwich
Carson Palmer
JP Losman
Ben Roethlisberger
Phillip Rivers
Eli Manning 2004 was actually a good class of qbs with the exception of Losman Rivers Manning and Rothlisberger are values
Alex Smith
Aaron Rodgers
Jason Campbell
Jay Cutler
Vince Young
Jamarcus Russell
Brady Quinn
Matt Ryan
Joe Flacco
Matt Stafford
Mark Sanchez
Josh Freeman
Sam Bradford
Tim Tebow
Cam Newton
Jake Locker
Blaine Gabbert.

Now take away the highest rated qb in each of those draft seasons and what is left? Not much and far too great a gamble to take on a QB.

Moral of the story: Indy should take Luck the others scrambling to take a QB are far more likely to get burned and set their teams back than to succeed.
Mar 16, 2012 8:59pm
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Mar 16, 2012 9:06 PM
DeyDurkie5;1118796 wrote:I like little and massoquoi. I know some people don't, but I see potential in both of them. Just didn't have anyone that could stretch the field with burner speed. You get someone like hill to just run straight, and we've got a decent reciever core. not to mention, norwood showed some flashes.
They are both terrible receivers. Don't belong in the league. Tired of the Browns leading the league in dropped passes.
Mar 16, 2012 9:06pm
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Mar 16, 2012 9:08 PM
Footwedge;1118873 wrote:They are both terrible receivers. Don't belong in the league. Tired of the Browns leading the league in dropped passes.
I'm not goign to get into this debate. You think what you think, I think what I think.
Mar 16, 2012 9:08pm
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Mar 16, 2012 9:13 PM
Footwedge;1118873 wrote:They are both terrible receivers. Don't belong in the league. Tired of the Browns leading the league in dropped passes.
If you're implying that Little doesn't belong in the league that might be THE MOST ridiculous thing I've read on here in a LONG time.
Mar 16, 2012 9:13pm
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Mar 16, 2012 9:17 PM
BR1986FB;1118889 wrote:If you're implying that Little doesn't belong in the league that might be THE MOST ridiculous thing I've read on here in a LONG time.
I thought the same exact thing.
Mar 16, 2012 9:17pm
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Mar 16, 2012 10:10 PM
Footwedge;1118873 wrote:They are both terrible receivers. Don't belong in the league. Tired of the Browns leading the league in dropped passes.
says the guy that said Terrell Pryor would be catching balls in the NFL.
Mar 16, 2012 10:10pm
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Mar 16, 2012 10:21 PM
I still like Kendall Wright. Probably my 2nd favorite receiver after Blackmon. He's plenty fast. If you watched the combine you would understand the reason for his slow 40 times. He had awful starts. On one of them he legitimately stumbled. The guy is fast when it matters, and has great hands.

I like Stephen Hill a lot and have for a while, but all the guy can do at this point is run really fast in a straight line. He has basically 0 route running ability. He's definitely willing to throw a block though after playing in the Ga Tech system.

Now that a DE is out of the question, my ideal scenario is to trade down to 10-15 and go (if possible):

1.12 (trade back) - David DeCastro
1.22 - Kendall Wright
2.5 - Zach Brown/Bobby Wagner (not sure Brown lasts this long)
2.12 (from trade back) - Chase Minnifield/Dwight Bentley
3.4 - Chris Polk
Mar 16, 2012 10:21pm
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Mar 16, 2012 10:32 PM
Tigerfan00;1119055 wrote:says the guy that said Terrell Pryor would be catching balls in the NFL.
LOL!.. if you quote me...get it right. I said Pryor would be catchin balls before he's throwin em in the NFL. Fail.
Mar 16, 2012 10:32pm
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Mar 16, 2012 10:34 PM
BR1986FB;1118889 wrote:If you're implying that Little doesn't belong in the league that might be THE MOST ridiculous thing I've read on here in a LONG time.
Little led the league in drops I'm pretty sure...nuff said. Can't stand people that drop a lot of passes.

You bitch about McCoy...and you fail to acknowledge it's a partnership. McCoy got screwed last season with the crap he had to throw to.


http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/post/_/id/36797/browns-tied-for-nfl-lead-in-drops
Mar 16, 2012 10:34pm
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Mar 16, 2012 10:38 PM
Footwedge;1119087 wrote:Little led the league in drops...nuff said. Can't stand people that drop a lot of passes.
Yeah, Terrell Owens was a bum too...
Mar 16, 2012 10:38pm
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Mar 16, 2012 10:49 PM
No BR...Little doesn't belong in the league.

The Browns' signature play this season has been the dropped pass. Browns receivers have dropped 35 passes, the highest figure in the league, according to Stats LLC. They have collectively dropped more passes than all but one of their receivers has caught. Greg Little leads the team with 15 drops, and few were borderline cases of an off-target pass glancing off his outstretched fingertips. Little's hands and stomach seem to magnetically repel footballs. Running back Montario Hardesty is more culpable than Little, who at least leads the team with 50 receptions. Hardesty has 12 catches and 6 drops, most of them on dump-off passes that travel with all the distance and velocity of a stuffed bunny tossed to a toddler. If the Browns' receivers had caught half the passes they dropped this season, Colt McCoy's completion percentage would be nearly 4 points higher, and more important, the Browns may have won close games against the Rams and the Bengals.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D04EEDE1538F93BA35751C1A9679D8B63
Mar 16, 2012 10:49pm
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Mar 16, 2012 10:51 PM
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Dr. KnOiTaLL;1119094 wrote:Yeah, Terrell Owens was a bum too...
I'm supposed to understand your point here?:confused::confused:
Mar 16, 2012 10:51pm
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Mar 16, 2012 10:55 PM
Dr. KnOiTaLL;1119094 wrote:Yeah, Terrell Owens was a bum too...
So is Roddy White.
Mar 16, 2012 10:55pm
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Mar 16, 2012 10:55 PM
footwedge..you are basing a football players career, on his first year in the league, in one of the hardest positions to learn, and after a year off of football.


you sir, don't know shit.
Mar 16, 2012 10:55pm
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Mar 16, 2012 11:14 PM
BR1986FB;1118721 wrote:I'll be surprised if this happens after a) the Rams pulled what they did in the RG3 deal and b) the fact that Holmgren essentially had a pissy fit on that season ticket holders call yesterday.

Did you listen to the call? Holmgren hardly got "pissy". That was bs being spewed by the media.
Mar 16, 2012 11:14pm
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Mar 17, 2012 9:25 AM
Commander of Awesome;1119139 wrote:Did you listen to the call? Holmgren hardly got "pissy". That was bs being spewed by the media.
He wasn't "pissy" on the interview but it came across as whiny.
Mar 17, 2012 9:25am
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Mar 17, 2012 9:26 AM
So, if Manning goes to the niners, and they release Smith, do you take a chance on him?
Mar 17, 2012 9:26am
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Mar 17, 2012 9:28 AM
DeyDurkie5;1119127 wrote:footwedge..you are basing a football players career, on his first year in the league, in one of the hardest positions to learn, and after a year off of football.


you sir, don't know shit.
This.

The fact that it was Little's second year playing the position after a year layoff says he's only going to get better. Footwedge is probably one of a handful of people who feel this way about Little and that guestimation might be generous. Little was about the Browns ONLY offensive weapon in 2011.
Mar 17, 2012 9:28am
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Mar 17, 2012 9:32 AM
like_that;1119328 wrote:So, if Manning goes to the niners, and they release Smith, do you take a chance on him?
Not a chance. He's a taller version of McCoy with a stronger arm. Unless you're going to make a SIGNIFICANT upgrade at the position, might as well suffer with what you've got and play for the next "big thing" at QB. I'd rather have a QB where there's some margin for error than have a game manager where all of the stars have to align (perfect defense, perfect O-Line/running game, etc) for you to win a championship. That's what you get with Smith.
Mar 17, 2012 9:32am
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Mar 17, 2012 9:50 AM
BR1986FB;1119330 wrote:This.

The fact that it was Little's second year playing the position after a year layoff says he's only going to get better. Footwedge is probably one of a handful of people who feel this way about Little and that guestimation might be generous. Little was about the Browns ONLY offensive weapon in 2011.
Little reminds me too much of Braylon "catch the damn ball" Edwards, people were saying the same thing about him, "he will get better"...
Mar 17, 2012 9:50am
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Mar 17, 2012 9:55 AM
Skyhook79;1119336 wrote:Little reminds me too much of Braylon "catch the damn ball" Edwards, people were saying the same thing about him, "he will get better"...
Big difference. Braylon Scissorhands was ALWAYS a WR. Little is still learning his craft. Way more upside with Little than Braylon.
Mar 17, 2012 9:55am
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Mar 17, 2012 10:13 AM
BR1986FB;1119340 wrote:Big difference. Braylon Scissorhands was ALWAYS a WR. Little is still learning his craft. Way more upside with Little than Braylon.
I guess time will tell but getting tired of waiting for players to develop that never do.
Mar 17, 2012 10:13am
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Mar 17, 2012 10:20 AM
like_that;1119328 wrote:So, if Manning goes to the niners, and they release Smith, do you take a chance on him?
Absolutely, serviceable, upgrade.
Mar 17, 2012 10:20am
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Mar 17, 2012 10:21 AM
Skyhook79;1119341 wrote:I guess time will tell but getting tired of waiting for players to develop that never do.
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He was a ROOKIE. If he's still dropping 15 balls a year in 3 years I'll get your point but he's a ROOKIE. Not everyone is AJ Green
Mar 17, 2012 10:21am