derek bomar;1039523 wrote:

Really excited for this draft...A lot of things can be done and it's going to be interesting to see where the organization thinks we need to go.

DeyDurkie5;1039561 wrote:Really excited for this draft...A lot of things can be done and it's going to be interesting to see where the organization thinks we need to go.

Free agency first! When that happens we will def have a good gauge on where this team wants to go in the draft.

Listening to Holmgren and Heckert's presser. Doesn't sound like Heckert wants to move up for a QB nor does it sound like Blackmon is on the list at #4.

Commander of Awesome;1039769 wrote:Listening to Holmgren and Heckert's presser. Doesn't sound like Heckert wants to move up for a QB nor does it sound like Blackmon is on the list at #4.

smokescreen hopefully

lol at the end of the presser, Holmgren asked the media if they'd be upset if they stayed put and selected a defensive player at #4, majority of the media paused for a second then said, "what? yeah we would be"

One guy admittedly did say he'd be fine with a pass rushing lber.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/04/report-vincent-jackson-unlikely-to-get-franchise-tag/

Cut & pasted from the OBR...

ABJ_Browns Nate Ulrich



# Browns President Mike Holmgren & GM Tom Heckert starting news conference now. Stay tuned for updates. # NFL

Holmgren presents play-by-play man Jim Donovan with game ball at start of news conference. # Browns

Holmgren on if Colt McCoy is franchise QB: "I think he could be. He can be. I'm not ready to say that yet." # Browns

Holmgren: "I'm not ready to annoint Colt yet." Said he loves McCoy & Seneca Wallace.

Holmgren: There will be QB competition before 2012 season. Decision will probably come before reps are divided for 3rd preseason game.

Heckert: Probably won't sign QB in free agency who he expects to start, but you never know. Same goes for drafting QB early.

Holmgren: We'll probably bring in QB every year to compete.

Holmgren: Organization will stick to philosophy of building through draft rather than being extremely active in free agency.

Holmgren said he's a little ticked off by 4-12 record but he's not discouraged.

Holmgren on rebuilding: "We're going to stay the course. We're going to do it a certain way. ... Growing pains are difficult."

Holmgren said he thinks defense took a big step. Said he saw some crazy things on special teams he's never seen before.

Holmgren: There isn't an offensive area that we won't look hard at and try to add to and upgrade, including receivers.

Holmgren says he's not going to talk specifics about RB Peyton Hillis' contract situation.

Holmgren on Pat Shurmur: He is good, he is smart and he will do what he has to whatever it takes in an unselfish way to make team better.




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Holmgren said he told Shurmur last year to call the plays himself if he didn't get the OC he wanted. Never hired OC. Now looking for one.

Heckert: We'd like to have all our good players back. We have numerous free agents & we like a lot of them. Time will tell.

Heckert on QB Colt McCoy: We think he has enough talent to be a player for us. Has he made mistakes? Yes. We think he will get better.

ABJ_Browns Nate Ulrich



Holmgren on Shurmur: I have the utmost confidence in Pat to get this done. No one's on the hot seat.

Browns_101 Browns 101



Holmgren: You don't get to where you want to go, by blowing things every couple years if things don't go your way. # Browns



ABJ_Browns Nate Ulrich



Holmgren: Shurmur's perseverance & ability to handle adversity was tested. He emerged albeit with a few scars. He's gonna come back stronger

MattFontana83 Matt Fontana



# Browns Holmgren- "You don't get there by blowing it up every 3 years. You stick together and get thru the bumps. Me Pat and Tom will do tht

GlennForbes1 Glenn Forbes



# Browns Holmgren "Fun calling plays", relating his experience to Shurmur's, but says Shurmur will be unselfish about a new OC calling plays.

clevelandteams Cleveland Sports



Holmgren will be involved in tweaking offense during offseason # browns










GlennForbes1 Glenn Forbes



# Browns Holmgren "It's a good system, it's a proven system" Light goes on for QB's, we'll see fewer and fewer mistakes.

MattFontana83 Matt Fontana



# Browns Holmgren about how far away from Super Bowl- (long pause) "I can only tell ya from my experience, GB took us 5 years. Seattle in 7"

WFNYCraig Craig Lyndall



Green Bay it took us 5 years. Seattle it took 7 years. Relating it all to when the team finds THE QB. # Holmgren # Browns

GlennForbes1 Glenn Forbes



# Browns Holmgren "In seattle we didn't make it to the Super Bowl for 7 years, didn't find the QB for 3 years...every team is different."








ABJ_Browns Nate Ulrich



Holmgren: We believe you build team thru a smart, solid draft. We have some ammunnation in the draft. But keys free agents, we'll go after.

WillBurge Will Burge



# Browns President Mike Holmgren said he thought this year they were much more competitive in the division than in the past

DanielWolfNFL Daniel Wolf



Nice subtle misdirection (or hint) by Holmgren about # Browns 2012 # NFLDraft picks: "We have the ammo to play around a bit..."








MaryKayCabot Mary Kay Cabot



# Browns GM Heckert said he doesn't want to sign 10 free agents, but if he likes a guy will definitely go after him.

Browns_101 Browns 101



Holmgren: I might get killed for this, but I'll say it anyway. I think this year we were more competitive (in the division) # Browns

MattFontana83 Matt Fontana



# Browns Holmgren on AFC North- "I thought we were competitive in those games. I thought we closed the gap a little this year."






WillBurge Will Burge



# Browns President Mike Holmgren said he does not think you want to change your offense to adapt to college QBs

GlennForbes1 Glenn Forbes



# Browns Heckert: "Brand new deal" for all rookie QB's. Reflects spread and simplicity of college offenses.


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Heckert: Players need to be smart to run their system, part of the draft evaluation process is deciding whether they can handle it. # Browns

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Holmgren: Have to know what traits players need for your system and then make sure that draftees/free agents have them. # Browns

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Holmgren: Helps to have size at qb in the AFC North.Not sure Flacco/Big Ben were drafted because of size, but because they were good # Browns

ABJ_Browns Nate Ulrich



Holmgren: It certainly helps to have a big QB in AFC North. But physically, our guys are big enough to get this done.

ABJ_Browns Nate Ulrich



Holmgren: We didn't interview Brad Childress last year for OC. Now what we're gonna do this year, I'm not gonna talk about.

MaryKayCabot Mary Kay Cabot



# Browns Holmgren said ideally team would like to use its picks and not package them to trade up. Heckert agreed. "need good players.''

GlennForbes1 Glenn Forbes



# Browns Holmgren: "Philosophically no, we'd like to use our picks." On trading up.

WillBurge Will Burge



# Browns President Mike Holmgren said they would like to use all their picks but that wont stop them from "wheeling and dealing" in the draft


jsbrownsinsider Jeff Schudel



# Browns Holmgren and Heckert say packaging draft picks to move up not impossible, but not likely.

ABJ_Browns Nate Ulrich



Heckert said it's gonna be tough for him to screw up the draft pick at No. 4 overall.















DonDelcoOBR Don Delco



Sounds like if RG3 falls to # Browns at No. 4, they will be listening for trade offers. # boo

DanielWolfNFL Daniel Wolf



Sounds to me like # Browns wont draft a QB & if # RG3 is on the board at No. 4, they will trade out to get more picks. Heckert loves picks..

MattFontana83 Matt Fontana



# Browns Holmgren on QB size- "You take that into consideration. Every position has a guideline of how big you want a guy"

GlennForbes1 Glenn Forbes



# Browns Holmgren: "He has to show you the ability to move and get seams. If he can't do that, he can't play" On shorter QB's.

Browns_101 Browns 101



Holmgren:Our offensive system allows a player who's not 6'4 to be good at quarterback. # Browns

MaryKayCabot Mary Kay Cabot



# Browns GM Heckert: "We're going to address the offense, whether through draft or free agency.''

MattFontana83 Matt Fontana



# Browns Heckert on injuries- "Jackson will be ready, he passed his physical, Steinbach is about 2 weeks away, Fujita is fine"

ABJ_Browns Nate Ulrich



Heckert: LB Titus Brown (knee) had surgery yesterday; LB Scott Fujita (hand) should be fine to return; DE Marcus Benard doing all right.

Browns_101 Browns 101



Heckert: Have to address playmakers all around, but it all depends on who's available and at what cost. # Browns

MaryKayCabot Mary Kay Cabot



# Browns' Heckert said verdict still out on Greg Little as No. 1 receiver, needs fewer drops, rarely had true No. 1 in Philly, spread it.

MattFontana83 Matt Fontana



# Browns Holmgren on #1 reciever- "I never do that. Thats not a good way to go" as far as labeling recievers








MaryKayCabot Mary Kay Cabot



# Browns Heckert on RB Hardesty: "It's a position that gets hurt in the NFL.'' Cited all 3 of their top RBs (incl hillis, jackson) got hurt.


Browns_101 Browns 101



Heckert: Running backs get hurt in this league. If you look at the last two drafts in rounds 1&2 they've all been hurt. # Browns

JohnTelich8 john telich



Good question Les Levine " Why isn't everyone on the hotseat" # browns. Holmgren " everybody is too impatient"


MattFontana83 Matt Fontana



# Browns Holmgren-"I thought we had chances to have a better record, so when I look at the record I am discouraged but there is improvement"

Browns_101 Browns 101



Holmgren:next year I expect next year to be better, but next year we'll be evaluated on our record. # Browns

jsbrownsinsider Jeff Schudel



# Browns Holmgren said he hoped Browns would be .500 in 2011. He does see progress. He said Shurmur will be judged by record in 2012.

WillBurge Will Burge



# Browns President Mike Holmgren said there is no "hot seat" but there is pressure on everyone in org












Browns_101 Browns 101


Holmgren:Hanging in there with season ticket holder numbers. Browns fans love their team. Feels they will stick it out. # Browns

MaryKayCabot Mary Kay Cabot


# Browns Holmgren said he suspects the fans will hang in there "and we'll get there.''

MattFontana83 Matt Fontana

# Browns Holmgren- "I want the stadium full. I don't wanna see those little yellow towels being flicked around"



# Browns President Mike Holmgren said he met with Lerner yesterday and wants everyone to believe in the commitment of he Lerner & Heckert

MattFontana83 Matt Fontana



# Browns Holmgren met with Randy Lerner yesterday. Said they are driven to turn this around.

Browns_101 Browns 101



Holmgren: Fans here have been long suffering, we are driven, put pressure on themselves to get things going in the right direction. # Browns

WillBurge Will Burge



# Browns President Mike Holmgren said the next couple years are "very very very important in determining how this is going to go"

Browns_101 Browns 101



Holmgren: Upset with the record, but not discouraged. Lots of hope due to the young players they have.. # Browns

Joked with media about wanting to gauge their reaction about drafting a defensive player at #4.

That's a rap everybody.

So it sounds like he is giving McCoy another year. I'm OK with that. If they get some weapons and still no progress, then next year has to be his last chance.

Pick6;1039996 wrote:So it sounds like he is giving McCoy another year. I'm OK with that. If they get some weapons and still no progress, then next year has to be his last chance.

Do you really think he's going to come out and say "McCoy sucks...we're drafting a QB at #4?"

President Mike Holmgren said the next couple years are "very very very important in determining how this is going to go"

No shit.

Mulva;1040013 wrote:No shit.

Lol I thought the same thing.

he better fucking take RGIII or Blackmon if they are there at 4.... or I will personally find him and kick him in the nuts

ohiobucks1;1040020 wrote:he better fucking take RGIII or Blackmon if they are there at 4.... or I will personally find him and kick him in the nuts

I can tell you Heckert didn't sound optimistic about WR with the first pick. Made a comment that they never had one in Philly when he was there and they won a lot of games. Didn't sound like he believed in that.

TO doesnt count?

Also they had a QB who could sling the ball around

Sure as shit didn't tip their hat as to where they might be heading that's for damn sure.

Commander of Awesome;1040023 wrote:I can tell you Heckert didn't sound optimistic about WR with the first pick. Made a comment that they never had one in Philly when he was there and they won a lot of games. Didn't sound like he believed in that.

I've recently heard that there's increased interest in Richardson. If they take a RB at #4 I'm gonna send ohiobucks1 over to Berea to kick Heckert in the nuts.

ohiobucks1;1040027 wrote:TO doesnt count?

Also they had a QB who could sling the ball around

TO was a free agent

BR1986FB;1040030 wrote:I've recently heard that there's increased interest in Richardson. If they take a RB at #4 I'm gonna send ohiobucks1 over to Berea to kick Heckert in the nuts.

Consider it done.

BR1986FB;1040033 wrote:TO was a free agent

True...Never thought he was talking about JUST drafted receivers

BR1986FB;1040033 wrote:TO was a free agent

I think he meant TO was on the team, who is a HOF WR. Without him, they don't win a lot of those games

He was there for 1 yr S&L. They won a lot of games without him including in the playoffs.

How the hell Richardson is climbing heir list at 4 is mind numbing. The only explanation is smoke.

He was there for 1 yr S&L. They won a lot of games without him including in the playoffs.

They finally got over the hump and made the SB with him though...