KR1245;1111182 wrote:I'm with BR.

Nothing has changed! How much better is this team than the expansion team in 99? Sooner or later you need to take a fucking shot, the Browns havent done that and look where we are. Gonna get forced to overpay for some mediocre QB like Flynn or hope we suck bad enough next year to draft a guy like Barkley.

Wasnt there once an episode of Seinfeld where Jerry told George to do the exact opposite of everything he has ever done? Thats what this feels like. I just want to see them take a shot

BR1986FB;1111183 wrote:Stay the course...SLOW and steady wins the race...see you in 5-7 years when this team MIGHT be competitive. :rolleyes:

DeyDurkie5;1111180 wrote:I didn't say that. I saw improvement this past year, and a lot of games that should've been won. We've got a lot of draft picks, and a competent GM. You are literally mad because we didn't give 3 first rounders and a 2nd to get a qb who no one heard of until this season? Come on..

like_that;1111185 wrote:There is a big difference between taking a shot on a particular player and mortgaging your future on one guy. Sorry, but the price was not worth it to move two spots. I really hope RG3 is a bust, because I will be sure to remind all of you about how badly you wanted to throw away 4 picks for him. Impatience isn't going to get this team anywhere. The more short cuts they try to take, the more likely they will dig themselves in a deeper hole. You guys just need to get over the fact that the Browns have sucked ass this past decade. Start living in the now, and quit letting the piss poor management of the past cloud your judgement.

like_that;1111181 wrote: Now cue some people responding with a few teams that would be considered the exception.

Tigerfan00;1111190 wrote:Didnt the Giants give up a lot to get Manning from the Chargers?

How have things worked out for both teams since thats happened?

Tigerfan00;1111190 wrote:Didnt the Giants give up a lot to get Manning from the Chargers?

How have things worked out for both teams since thats happened?

BR1986FB;1111192 wrote:And believe me, a few of us will run it right up your ass too as Griffin is lighting up the league while we're watching Matt Flynn throw 5 yard passes.

Tigerfan00;1111190 wrote:Didnt the Giants give up a lot to get Manning from the Chargers?

How have things worked out for both teams since thats happened?

like_that;1111188 wrote:Better than being the Cleveland Raiders and not even giving your team a chance to compete again. I don't think it's going to take 5-7 years either. You are just being a typical bitter Cleveland fan right now.

lol, I knew this thread would turn into a QQ fest as soon as I heard about the Skins finalizing a deal.

BR1986FB;1111189 wrote:We THINK they have a competent GM. Like I said, 2010's draft was nothing special. 2011 looks good but if they "stay the course" and build through the draft do you have ANY idea how long it will be before this team can even utter the word "playoffs?"

Pittsburgh has historically drafted well. I expect them to have a "blip" with the purging of their roster, on defense, but they will reload. Same with Baltimore. Cincinnati is already a couple of pieces away from taking over the division. They keep up this "slow & steady" approach, Pittsburgh, who will be in a position to be overtaken, will be reloaded by the time Cleveland is ready to go. OR they could strike now, grab some KEY pieces in free agency and compete THIS year....but that won't happen.

DeyDurkie5;1111198 wrote:Where did trading down or going after a qb get us in the first 10 years of this team? Brady Quinn? Wimbley? Winslow? It got us no where because of shitty drafting and trading away picks. I like what Heckert is doing, and if he you don't like Heckert, then you shouldn't be a fan of the browns. He's had 2 drafts that i've thought were very good for this team. You are just blinded BR.

like_that;1111195 wrote:Will you "light it up my ass" if RG3 turns out to be good and the skins still can't compete because they gave up those chances to surround him with talent?

Tigerfan00;1111199 wrote:Cleveland Browns Football: Patient since 1999

BR1986FB;1111201 wrote:You mean the Redskins who are $40 million under the cap who can go get Carl Nicks, Vincent Jackson, Pierre Garcon, etc, etc to surround RG3 with in FREE AGENCY? For as crazy as he is, Snyder WILL surround Griffin with offensive talent.

Tigerfan00;1111199 wrote:Cleveland Browns Football: Patient since 1999

BR1986FB;1111203 wrote:+1

Mr Miyagi;1111202 wrote:Why couldn't we get all those picks from the Jets when they wanted Sanchez ? LOL!

A prerequisite to win a championship in this league right now is a franchise QB.....just sayin

DeyDurkie5;1111198 wrote:Where did trading down or going after a qb get us in the first 10 years of this team? Brady Quinn? Wimbley? Winslow? It got us no where because of shitty drafting and trading away picks. I like what Heckert is doing, and if he you don't like Heckert, then you shouldn't be a fan of the browns. He's had 2 drafts that i've thought were very good for this team. You are just blinded BR.

like_that;1111207 wrote:Kokinis is a piece of shit, that's why.

like_that;1111204 wrote:Yup, its a foregone conclusion that all of those guys (including the "etc" all stars) will go to the skins for their $40 cap. Just like its a foregone conclusion that RG3 is going to be the greatest QB to ever play the game.

BR1986FB;1111208 wrote:Nice you mentioned Winslow since Butch Davis told Roethlisberger HE was the pick and then pulled that shit trading up for Winslow. We wouldn't be having this conversation if Roethlisberger is Cleveland's QB.

You're REALLY going to compare Quinn to Griffin? Really?

As far as Heckert goes, I think YOU'RE the one who is blinded. Haden often got beaten like a drum. TJ Ward is an "incomplete." McCoy sucks. Lauvao will be a backup, at best. Hardesty can't stay healthy and Carlton Mitchell can't even see the field. That's just 2010. I liked the 2011 draft but if you thought the 2010 draft was anything special, YOU are blinded.

BR1986FB;1111213 wrote:LOL...if you think the Skins are going to sit on $40 million, you're nuts. Their roster will look vastly different. Jabar Gaffney will not be their #1 WR this year.