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2012 Cleveland Browns thread: AKA Pat Shurmur Memorial thread

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Mar 10, 2012 4:38 PM
High priced FA almost never work out. Remember when Redskins got Haynesworth? How'd that work out?
Mar 10, 2012 11:38am
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Mar 10, 2012 4:39 PM
like_that;1111219 wrote:No, I know snyder will squeeze ever penny out of it, but they won't get all the players you mentioned. Snyder will most likely overspend for one of them.
I was using those as examples of players they could target hence the "etc, etc." Might not be thos exact players but I could see them grabbing a couple of WR's, OL and a RB to surround him with. $40 Million will go a LONG way.
Mar 10, 2012 11:39am
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Mar 10, 2012 4:40 PM
Skins will definetly go after a top tier reciever
Mar 10, 2012 11:40am
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Mar 10, 2012 4:40 PM
DeyDurkie5;1111215 wrote:LOL you are really going to rip on haden? BR, you truly are delusional. I'm done with these convos, you are ridiculous.
You obviously didn't watch him last year. He was exceptional his rookie year and took a step back in 2011. If he wasn't getting beaten he was getting nailed with a pass interference penalty.
Mar 10, 2012 11:40am
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Mar 10, 2012 4:41 PM
Commander of Awesome;1111225 wrote:High priced FA almost never work out. Remember when Redskins got Haynesworth? How'd that work out?
Eric Steinbach, prior to his injury, disagrees.
Mar 10, 2012 11:41am
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Mar 10, 2012 4:42 PM
Haden gave up a few big plays, I still think he never fully recovered from his knee injury in week 7.
Mar 10, 2012 11:42am
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Mar 10, 2012 4:46 PM
BR1986FB;1111231 wrote:Eric Steinbach, prior to his injury, disagrees.
LeCharles Bentley, Donte Stallworth, Gary Baxter, Willie McGinnest, Ted Washington, Joe andruzzi Agrees.
Mar 10, 2012 11:46am
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Mar 10, 2012 4:49 PM
Commander of Awesome;1111237 wrote:LeCharles Bentley, Donte Stallworth, Gary Baxter, Willie McGinnest, Ted Washington, Joe andruzzi Agrees.

Lol....man, I had high hopes for lecharles. And I also had high hopes for him on radio.....until I actually had to listen to him. #JemeleHillLike
Mar 10, 2012 11:49am
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Mar 10, 2012 4:49 PM
like_that;1111185 wrote:There is a big difference between taking a shot on a particular player and mortgaging your future on one guy. Sorry, but the price was not worth it to move two spots. I really hope RG3 is a bust, because I will be sure to remind all of you about how badly you wanted to throw away 4 picks for him. Impatience isn't going to get this team anywhere. The more short cuts they try to take, the more likely they will dig themselves in a deeper hole. You guys just need to have sucked ass this past decade. Start living in tget over the fact that the Browns he now, and quit letting the piss poor management of the past cloud your judgement.
Good point but much easier said than done. I think thats why most fans feel the way that they do about the organization
Mar 10, 2012 11:49am
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Mar 10, 2012 4:50 PM
It's disappointing to not be able to finally get that franchise quarterback, but that price was ridiculously steep for the Browns. Washington can afford to give away all of those draft picks because they're a team that overpays in free agency and can acquire players that way. The Browns place more value on the draft. I just hope they shove it up St. Louis' ass and take Blackmon at 4
Mar 10, 2012 11:50am
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Mar 10, 2012 4:50 PM
Commander of Awesome;1111237 wrote:LeCharles Bentley, Donte Stallworth, Gary Baxter, Willie McGinnest, Ted Washington, Joe andruzzi Agrees.
And I'm pretty sure that the Saints team that won the Super Bowl was mostly comprised of free agents.

Bentley & Baxter were unfortunate injuries, otherwise they are fine. I wouldn't call "on their last legs/riding off into the sunset" McGinest/Washington/Andruzzi "key free agent signings." Those were the Romeo Crennel "good old boy network" just like Mangini brought in a bunch of washed up Jets.
Mar 10, 2012 11:50am
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Mar 10, 2012 5:02 PM
Commander of Awesome;1111237 wrote:LeCharles Bentley, Donte Stallworth, Gary Baxter, Willie McGinnest, Ted Washington, Joe andruzzi Agrees.
Though it was before The Move (BR & COA will remember this) lest we forget Andre "Bad Moon" Rison
Mar 10, 2012 12:02pm
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Mar 10, 2012 5:04 PM
Mr Miyagi;1111250 wrote:Though it was before The Move (BR & COA will remember this) lest we forget Andre "Bad Moon" Rison
That was just stupid on Modell's part. Believe he had to take out a personal loan to pay his salary.
Mar 10, 2012 12:04pm
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Mar 10, 2012 5:20 PM
Well...now I'm pretty much sold on a trade down to #7 (Jacksonville-takes Blackmon) or #14 (Dallas-takes Claiborne) to solidify the defense. Get your RDE, maybe a linebacker and a DB. Trading with the Cowboys should yield no less than another 2nd/3rd and probably another pick this year.
Mar 10, 2012 12:20pm
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Mar 10, 2012 5:22 PM
BR1986FB;1111264 wrote:Well...now I'm pretty much sold on a trade down to #7 (Jacksonville-takes Blackmon) or #14 (Dallas-takes Claiborne) to solidify the defense. Get your RDE, maybe a linebacker and a DB. Trading with the Cowboys should yield no less than another 2nd/3rd and probably another pick this year.
Ugh...no more trading down. You can't get elite players if you keep being terrible and not taking top 10 talent. Take Claiborne, take the best player available at #22, continue with the draft.
Mar 10, 2012 12:22pm
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Mar 10, 2012 5:23 PM
Yeah, no way do I want to drop to 14
Mar 10, 2012 12:23pm
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Mar 10, 2012 5:26 PM
I'm all for the trade down, but I have been for months now.
Mar 10, 2012 12:26pm
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Mar 10, 2012 5:26 PM
Y-Town Steelhound;1111267 wrote:Ugh...no more trading down. You can't get elite players if you keep being terrible and not taking top 10 talent. Take Claiborne, take the best player available at #22, continue with the draft.
Nah, I'm loading up on picks now, if I can. Drafting defense early, O-Line with one of the 2nd's & 3rd's.
Mar 10, 2012 12:26pm
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Mar 10, 2012 6:02 PM
I don't disagree with taking Claiborne, but I would love to grab Stephen Hill at 22 if he's available. Kid has freakish size, great speed, good hands. Even if we can't upgrade at QB this year, if we give Colt a legitimate downfield threat, then there is no longer any excuse for him not to perform, but I think they at least have to give him a shot when he has some weapons first. (And NO, MoMass is not a weapon)
Mar 10, 2012 1:02pm
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Mar 10, 2012 6:07 PM
BR1986FB;1111264 wrote:Well...now I'm pretty much sold on a trade down to #7 (Jacksonville-takes Blackmon) or #14 (Dallas-takes Claiborne) to solidify the defense. Get your RDE, maybe a linebacker and a DB. Trading with the Cowboys should yield no less than another 2nd/3rd and probably another pick this year.
are you over your bitch-fit about RG3?
Mar 10, 2012 1:07pm
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Mar 10, 2012 6:10 PM
According to that draft trade chart, Washington overpaid by the equivalent of a first round pick for RG3. Time will tell if Dan Snyder fucked his organization again.

also, I agree with whoever said that trades like this completely fucked things up for trades in the future.
Mar 10, 2012 1:10pm
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Mar 10, 2012 6:11 PM
Y-Town Steelhound;1111267 wrote:Ugh...no more trading down. You can't get elite players if you keep being terrible and not taking top 10 talent. Take Claiborne, take the best player available at #22, continue with the draft.
I really don't get why people say this. I can only recall the Browns trading down twice since they came back in 99'. It's not like they do it every single year. If they trade down to the 10th spot, then its a great move.
Mar 10, 2012 1:11pm
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Mar 10, 2012 6:12 PM
like_that;1111324 wrote:I really don't get why people say this. I can only recall the Browns trading down twice since they came back in 99'. It's not like they do it every single year. If they trade down to the 10th spot, then its a great move.
I think they say it because they traded down like 42 times to get Alex Mack a few years back...lol
Mar 10, 2012 1:12pm
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Mar 10, 2012 6:12 PM
like_that;1111188 wrote:Better than being the Cleveland Raiders and not even giving your team a chance to compete again. I don't think it's going to take 5-7 years either. You are just being a typical bitter Cleveland fan right now.

lol, I knew this thread would turn into a QQ fest as soon as I heard about the Skins finalizing a deal.
When did the Browns make it to the Super Bowl and then start a slide down hill?
Mar 10, 2012 1:12pm