wildcats20
Posts: 27,794
Jan 19, 2012 10:10am
Seeing the highlights of the Clips/Mavs, I still contest that ball went off Mo. It was still in his hand after Terry touched it.
I know they looked at it on replay and spent a good amount of time on it, but in my eyes it was pretty damn clear. Huge call to end the game on, with Chauncey hitting the 3.
I know they looked at it on replay and spent a good amount of time on it, but in my eyes it was pretty damn clear. Huge call to end the game on, with Chauncey hitting the 3.
Skyhook79
Posts: 5,739
Jan 19, 2012 10:12am
It wouldn't be the first time refs get it wrong even after looking at the replay.wildcats20;1058622 wrote:Seeing the highlights of the Clips/Mavs, I still contest that ball went off Mo. It was still in his hand after Terry touched it.
I know they looked at it on replay and spent a good amount of time on it, but in my eyes it was pretty damn clear. Huge call to end the game on, with Chauncey hitting the 3.
wildcats20
Posts: 27,794
Jan 19, 2012 10:13am
Yeah, I know.
I think they might have been trying to make up for not calling a foul on the play where Chauncey lost it out of bounds. Even though there wasn't a foul there.
I think they might have been trying to make up for not calling a foul on the play where Chauncey lost it out of bounds. Even though there wasn't a foul there.
Skyhook79
Posts: 5,739
Jan 19, 2012 11:23am
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Jan 19, 2012 12:25pm
Anyone else think the current Bulls team are pretty much the Cavs in the Lebron era? Good defensively, solid role players, no true #2, and a star player that needs the ball every possession to do anything (Don't get me wrong, I love D.Rose, but he doesn't play well off the ball. He and Lebron would have been a disaster together, probably worse than Wade and LBJ have been)
Skyhook79
Posts: 5,739
Jan 19, 2012 1:31pm
The Bulls have no one like Delonte West, someone who is crazy enough to get busy with Lebron's mom. But there are a lot of parallels including the coaches Mike Brown and Tom Thibodeau being the same type of coaches coming from Championship teams as assistants.Commander of Awesome;1058886 wrote:Anyone else think the current Bulls team are pretty much the Cavs in the Lebron era? Good defensively, solid role players, no true #2, and a star player that needs the ball every possession to do anything (Don't get me wrong, I love D.Rose, but he doesn't play well off the ball. He and Lebron would have been a disaster together, probably worse than Wade and LBJ have been)
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Jan 19, 2012 1:32pm
Thunder re-up RW for 5 years $80 million.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jan 19, 2012 1:35pm
I think the Bulls are better. Although I do agree with you regarding D.Rose, but the league is full of players that are ball dominators(Kobe, Dirk, Shaq, Lebron, etc.)Commander of Awesome;1058886 wrote:Anyone else think the current Bulls team are pretty much the Cavs in the Lebron era? Good defensively, solid role players, no true #2, and a star player that needs the ball every possession to do anything (Don't get me wrong, I love D.Rose, but he doesn't play well off the ball. He and Lebron would have been a disaster together, probably worse than Wade and LBJ have been)
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Jan 19, 2012 1:39pm
Bulls are way more talented than those Cavs teams were, not even close.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Jan 19, 2012 1:44pm
You think they're a legit contender?robj55;1059080 wrote:Bulls are way more talented than those Cavs teams were, not even close.
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Jan 19, 2012 1:52pm
Of course, they're one of the best defensive teams in the league. Depends if Rose tries to play like Iverson again like he did in last year's playoffs jacking 30 shots every game. He has enough around him where he needs to keep them involved. Oh and he shouldn't be getting locked up by someone who is 6'9'' either. Them and Miami are the two faves in the east.Commander of Awesome;1059091 wrote:You think they're a legit contender?
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sportswizuhrd
Posts: 3,215
Jan 19, 2012 2:45pm
Williams will be a FA after this year. They have 21 million coming off the books for next year and possibly more since Odom's contract is non-guaranteed. They could sign Williams and have Kidd be his back-up. I think they will re-sign Terry as well. It would not surprise me if they let Odom go and use the amnesty clause on Haywood. That would bring them to 37 million off the books for next year.Skyhook79;1058539 wrote: Add Lamar Odom who is still butt hurt over the Lakers wanting to trade him for CP3 or Howard, playing like he doesn't care its a recipe for disaster. Dallas would love to get D-Will but they really do not have anything to offer the Nets.
Dallas plays like a team satisfied with their 1 Championship, especially Dirk and Kidd. They let too many pieces go that won that Championship.
About the slow start ,Cuban was on NBA Countdown on ESPN and here is a quote on if he is worried about a slow start...
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"We've just got to make the playoffs, that's all I really care about. Honestly, I was telling people if we're 10-10 I'll be thrilled to death. And if we were 5-15, I wouldn't have been shocked, because you can't just walk into a season and be ready, particularly if you're a team that bases its defense on precision and team defense, and its offense off ball movement.
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http://sportsblogs.star-telegram.com/mavs/2012/01/dallas-mavericks-owner-mark-cuban-appeared-on-espns-nba-countdown-on-wednesday-before-the-networks-doubleheader-that-included.html
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Jan 19, 2012 3:04pm
Are they gonna have room to keep Harden and Serge?lhslep134;1059057 wrote:Thunder re-up RW for 5 years $80 million.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Jan 19, 2012 3:25pm
Hard to tell at this point, but unlikely enough to keep both. I was just curious to see that they have no interest in getting a pure PG, sticking with RW.Mulva;1059192 wrote:Are they gonna have room to keep Harden and Serge?
COA, I'd take Rose's supporting cast over Lebron's (at least this years). Rip Hamilton, Luol Deng, Carlos Boozer, Joakim Noah, Taj Gibson
hoops23
Posts: 15,696
Jan 19, 2012 4:34pm
I disagree.robj55;1059080 wrote:Bulls are way more talented than those Cavs teams were, not even close.
I see many similarities between the two.
You mention the Bulls are good defensively, but so were the Cavs... They were always top 2 or 3 in the NBA.
Rose may have a bit better supporting cast, but LeBron is much better overall the Rose, so it kind of evens out. Both teams are full of role players who disappear in the playoffs while their star dominates the ball.
Skyhook79
Posts: 5,739
Jan 19, 2012 5:02pm
Thats all well and good for next year but I don't buy that Cuban is "thrilled to death" with being 10-10. I think they cut bait with Kidd after this year he is pretty much a non factor on offense and defense.sportswizuhrd;1059161 wrote:Williams will be a FA after this year. They have 21 million coming off the books for next year and possibly more since Odom's contract is non-guaranteed. They could sign Williams and have Kidd be his back-up. I think they will re-sign Terry as well. It would not surprise me if they let Odom go and use the amnesty clause on Haywood. That would bring them to 37 million off the books for next year.
About the slow start ,Cuban was on NBA Countdown on ESPN and here is a quote on if he is worried about a slow start...
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http://sportsblogs.star-telegram.com/mavs/2012/01/dallas-mavericks-owner-mark-cuban-appeared-on-espns-nba-countdown-on-wednesday-before-the-networks-doubleheader-that-included.html
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Jan 19, 2012 5:19pm
I think the current Bulls are definitely better than the 08 or 09 Cavs teams were. Deng and Boozer are both better 2nd options than Mo Williams. Even at this stage of his career, Rip Hamilton is still a really good 4th option offensively.
Noah and Varejao are basically the same player, and I'd take the Bulls bench (Watson, Gibson, Korver and Brewer) over Pavlovic, Hickson, Wally, and Gibson.
LeBron is better than Rose, but the Bulls are much deeper/have way more options offensively.
Noah and Varejao are basically the same player, and I'd take the Bulls bench (Watson, Gibson, Korver and Brewer) over Pavlovic, Hickson, Wally, and Gibson.
LeBron is better than Rose, but the Bulls are much deeper/have way more options offensively.
Skyhook79
Posts: 5,739
Jan 19, 2012 5:56pm
I would take the Cavs bench easily.Mulva;1059367 wrote:I think the current Bulls are definitely better than the 08 or 09 Cavs teams were. Deng and Boozer are both better 2nd options than Mo Williams. Even at this stage of his career, Rip Hamilton is still a really good 4th option offensively.
Noah and Varejao are basically the same player, and I'd take the Bulls bench (Watson, Gibson, Korver and Brewer) over Pavlovic, Hickson, Wally, and Gibson and Ben Wallace
LeBron is better than Rose, but the Bulls are much deeper/have way more options offensively.
Midstate01
Posts: 14,766
Jan 19, 2012 6:02pm
Skyhook79;1059385 wrote:I would take the Cavs bench easily.
Why???
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Jan 19, 2012 7:32pm
I'm talking in terms of talent, Boozer and Deng are way better than the second option the Cavs had. The Bulls have better talent and deeper talent as well. Asik, Gibson, Brewer Watson and Korver are easily better than the Cav's bench was. As for the starting line ups, Lebron is clearly way better than Deng, Rip Hamilton better than AP by far, Rose easily better than Mo Williams, Boozer> Varejao and Noah>Z,. Not sure where the debate is?hoops23;1059316 wrote:I disagree.
I see many similarities between the two.
You mention the Bulls are good defensively, but so were the Cavs... They were always top 2 or 3 in the NBA.
Rose may have a bit better supporting cast, but LeBron is much better overall the Rose, so it kind of evens out. Both teams are full of role players who disappear in the playoffs while their star dominates the ball.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Jan 19, 2012 7:52pm
Skyhook79;1059054 wrote:The Bulls have no one like Delonte West, someone who is crazy enough to get busy with Lebron's mom. But there are a lot of parallels including the coaches Mike Brown and Tom Thibodeau being the same type of coaches coming from Championship teams as assistants.
The Bulls have a crazy.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Jan 19, 2012 7:59pm
This debate is so easy. Bulls have Brian Scalabrine, so clearly the Bulls > Cavs.
Skyhook79
Posts: 5,739
Jan 19, 2012 8:13pm
Delonte West crazy?Ironman92;1059471 wrote:The Bulls have a crazy.
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Jan 19, 2012 9:06pm
Kevin Martin with 27 at the half
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Jan 19, 2012 9:27pm
Skyhook79;1059485 wrote:Delonte West crazy?
No, just screw Gloria and then play tennis with his parents crazy.