like_that
Posts: 26,625
Dec 25, 2011 5:28pm
I don't think he went back to edit his post, but his "prediction" would have definitely been more impressive if he just said they were going to go 9-7. He had to add the "if everything goes right" disclaimer. Seems like a pussy prediction to me. It was a win-win situation for him. If the Bengals fell short, he would have said "I never said they were going to win 9 games, I just said at best they could win 9 games."zach24oz;1026770 wrote:Saying the Bengals COULD go 9-7 if everything goes right is a lucky guess you made...you're making it a bigger deal than what you probably should. I'll admit they have had a better season than what I thought, but you have to admit that you didnt honestly see them being this good this season. You probably edited your previous post about their record to make it say 9-7 anyway.
Terry_Tate
Posts: 7,606
Dec 25, 2011 5:44pm
Wasn't it Rydawg who was writing off Dalton after the first preseason game? I didn't know if he was going to be good or not, I liked his game in college, but you can't write him off before he even gets going.
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rydawg5
Posts: 2,639
Dec 25, 2011 6:45pm
Yep. That was my prediction. We will see if it holds up. Obviously he is off to a pretty good start. He's a lot better than I thought.Terry_Tate;1026780 wrote:Wasn't it Rydawg who was writing off Dalton after the first preseason game? I didn't know if he was going to be good or not, I liked his game in college, but you can't write him off before he even gets going.
ernest_t_bass
Posts: 24,984
Dec 25, 2011 7:01pm
justincredible;1026473 wrote:I agree.
We doing an avatar bet for the Jets/Phins game?
Little Danny
Posts: 4,288
Dec 25, 2011 7:04pm
I am not a fan of the Bengals Organization (meaning Ownership). That being said, I am impressed with everything all the young guys have accomplished, particularly when nobody gave them a snowball's chance (myself included).
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sportchampps
Posts: 7,361
Dec 25, 2011 8:25pm
Haha I even listed the games they would win and got 7 of 9 correctly i missed us losing to the 49ers but beating st louis and beating the manningless colts and losing to the broncosSaying the Bengals COULD go 9-7 if everything goes right is a lucky guess you made...you're making it a bigger deal than what you probably should. I'll admit they have had a better season than what I thought, but you have to admit that you didnt honestly see them being this good this season. You probably edited your previous post about their record to make it say 9-7 anyway.
jordo212000
Posts: 10,664
Dec 25, 2011 8:29pm
Terry_Tate;1026780 wrote:Wasn't it Rydawg who was writing off Dalton after the first preseason game? I didn't know if he was going to be good or not, I liked his game in college, but you can't write him off before he even gets going.
Yup. He and I had a long argument about him. It is one thing to predict how good he would be, it is another to say he was average and that he was unimpressive in college... Which is what he was doing
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Dec 25, 2011 8:36pm
You should definitely pump your chest for being able to "show" rydawg. /sarcasmjordo212000;1026873 wrote:Yup. He and I had a long argument about him. It is one thing to predict how good he would be, it is another to say he was average and that he was unimpressive in college... Which is what he was doing
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rydawg5
Posts: 2,639
Dec 26, 2011 8:38am
exactly. also never called him average in colle. so u showed me! Dalton is now a top 5 nfl qb and was a hesiman caliber college player. (sarcasm)like_that;1026882 wrote:You should definitely pump your chest for being able to "show" rydawg. /sarcasm
iclfan2
Posts: 6,360
Dec 26, 2011 11:06am
Impressive to win 9 games. Not impressive that the fans continue to not show up. What a joke.
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sportchampps
Posts: 7,361
Dec 27, 2011 1:11am
I'll be there again this weekend
ernest_t_bass
Posts: 24,984
Dec 27, 2011 6:53am
I'm a semi Bengals fan (Dolphins, then Bengals) and it's sad that they have to beg people to come. Granted, neither team for whom I root has great attendance.
Devils Advocate
Posts: 4,539
Dec 27, 2011 10:15am
swamisez
Posts: 1,990
Dec 27, 2011 12:09pm
Bengals fan and fully expected a 4-12 season. The defense carried them for much of the year and the offense showed flashes of brilliance at times.
Still believe the future will be more of the same misfortune because the Bengals skimp on what is necessary to be a contender. They don't have enough depth on the roster and they have too many aged veterans playing prime positions. When injuries come, as they always do, they are left scrambling with mediocre position players to fill the void.
Until real scouting is performed, more money is spent to develop roster depth, and the program isn't dependent on players in their 1-3 years, this season will be more the aberration than the norm.
That being said, I hope they find a way against Baltimore.
Who Dey.
Still believe the future will be more of the same misfortune because the Bengals skimp on what is necessary to be a contender. They don't have enough depth on the roster and they have too many aged veterans playing prime positions. When injuries come, as they always do, they are left scrambling with mediocre position players to fill the void.
Until real scouting is performed, more money is spent to develop roster depth, and the program isn't dependent on players in their 1-3 years, this season will be more the aberration than the norm.
That being said, I hope they find a way against Baltimore.
Who Dey.
shook_17
Posts: 3,023
Dec 27, 2011 12:29pm
lol word. worst fans i have EVER seen.iclfan2;1027252 wrote:Impressive to win 9 games. Not impressive that the fans continue to not show up. What a joke.
swamisez
Posts: 1,990
Dec 27, 2011 1:07pm
If there aren't people in the stands, how can you count them as fans and subsequently label them as the worst?
Maybe the Bengals don't have 65,000 real fans in the tri-state?
Maybe the Bengals don't have 65,000 real fans in the tri-state?
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Dec 27, 2011 1:17pm
Interesting (and new) take. If that is the case, then why even have a 65k+ stadium, or yet even a football team in a city?swamisez;1028116 wrote:If there aren't people in the stands, how can you count them as fans and subsequently label them as the worst?
Maybe the Bengals don't have 65,000 real fans in the tri-state?
swamisez
Posts: 1,990
Dec 27, 2011 1:25pm
That is a great question. I would have to take a hard look at attendance numbers at Cinergy Field aka Riverfront Stadium prior to the opening of Paul Brown in 2000. Having been to a number of games at Riverfront (sniffle) I would find it hard to believe the stadium had more than 45K in the stands for most sundays during the later Wyche, Coslet, Shula, eras. I would think the fact they had a new stadium in 2000 served as a reason for people to go to games when Dick LeBeau was coach, but I could be mistaken.like_that;1028123 wrote:Interesting (and new) take. If that is the case, then why even have a 65k+ stadium, or yet even a football team in a city?
Let me take a look at these numbers and get back to you.
swamisez
Posts: 1,990
Dec 27, 2011 1:39pm
Upon looking at the 1998 season at Cinergy, the Bengals averaged somewhere near 52K for home games. The low that season being the announced crowd of 49,826 against Tampa in the season finale. The stadium capacity was near 60K.
Granted that is the paid attendance, but I remember being at that game and distinctly remember there being no fans in the red seats in the first quarter. The end of a 3-13 season soured many I imagine.
Here are some hard numbers
So in 1999 the Bengals averaged 50K for home games in the final year of Riverfront Stadium. In 1996 the average was just under 48K a game. Averaging less 50K in a 60K seat stadium, and yet the city and Mike Brown move forward on a stadium with 65,525?
Now the team can't sell out? Amazing, its almost like no one looked at attendance figures before building that thing. Good God. It appears clear that the city built a stadium too big for a city that has demonstrated they won't support losing teams, and fail to sellout when teams are competitive (2007, 2011)
Source: http://football.ballparks.com/NFL/CincinnatiBengals/newindex.htm
Granted that is the paid attendance, but I remember being at that game and distinctly remember there being no fans in the red seats in the first quarter. The end of a 3-13 season soured many I imagine.
Here are some hard numbers
| Season | Total | Capacity | Change |
| 1993 | 353,273 | 73% | -14.5% |
| 1994 | 415,638 | 86% | 17.7% |
| 1995 | 385,071 | 80% | -7.4% |
| 1996 | 382,774 | 79% | -0.6% |
| 1997 | 439,831 | 91% | 14.9% |
| 1998 | 444,335 | 92% | 0% |
| 1999 | 404,679 | 84% | -8.92% |
| 2000 | 469,992 | 89.6% | 16.1% |
So in 1999 the Bengals averaged 50K for home games in the final year of Riverfront Stadium. In 1996 the average was just under 48K a game. Averaging less 50K in a 60K seat stadium, and yet the city and Mike Brown move forward on a stadium with 65,525?
Now the team can't sell out? Amazing, its almost like no one looked at attendance figures before building that thing. Good God. It appears clear that the city built a stadium too big for a city that has demonstrated they won't support losing teams, and fail to sellout when teams are competitive (2007, 2011)
Source: http://football.ballparks.com/NFL/CincinnatiBengals/newindex.htm
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
Dec 27, 2011 1:44pm
See the Bengals are giving away half of their tickets just to get people to come to the biggest game of the season. Wow
Skyhook79
Posts: 5,739
Dec 27, 2011 1:52pm
Mike Brown wanted a bigger stadium or he was moving the team. Brown then proceeded to coerce the tax payers of Cincinnati/Hamilton County into a crippling stadium deal to pay for it.swamisez;1028146 wrote:Upon looking at the 1998 season at Cinergy, the Bengals averaged somewhere near 52K for home games. The low that season being the announced crowd of 49,826 against Tampa in the season finale. The stadium capacity was near 60K.
Granted that is the paid attendance, but I remember being at that game and distinctly remember there being no fans in the red seats in the first quarter. The end of a 3-13 season soured many I imagine.
Here are some hard numbers
Season Total Capacity Change 1993 353,273 73% -14.5% 1994 415,638 86% 17.7% 1995 385,071 80% -7.4% 1996 382,774 79% -0.6% 1997 439,831 91% 14.9% 1998 444,335 92% 0% 1999 404,679 84% -8.92% 2000 469,992 89.6% 16.1%
So in 1999 the Bengals averaged 50K for home games in the final year of Riverfront Stadium. In 1996 the average was just under 48K a game. Averaging less 50K in a 60K seat stadium, and yet the city and Mike Brown move forward on a stadium with 65,525?
Now the team can't sell out? Amazing, its almost like no one looked at attendance figures before building that thing. Good God. It appears clear that the city built a stadium too big for a city that has demonstrated they won't support losing teams, and fail to sellout when teams are competitive (2007, 2011)
Source: http://football.ballparks.com/NFL/CincinnatiBengals/newindex.htm
swamisez
Posts: 1,990
Dec 27, 2011 2:03pm
Sure, that is a given Mike Brown wanted a larger stadium. But the question remains, do the Bengals have a big enough fan-base to even support the size of the stadium week in week out?
Its hard to measure this if impossible, but there are fans and there are fans who have monetary resources large enough to afford game tickets and season tickets. Cleveland has a big fan base, with fans all over the globe (Browns Backers), however how many of those fans can be relied upon to buy tickets to home games? Economics are a big portion of the problem for many franchises. Some franchises have adapted by lowering ticket prices to games, the Bengals are not one of those franchises. I remember seeing ticket prices for upper dog pound tickets and being shocked they were in the 40 dollar range. I don't know that there are tickets at PBS that are in the $40 dollar range. The cheapest ticket I found through the Bengals Ticketmaster site is a NW corner ticket for 70 dollars. Probably somewhere next to TJ Yates' parents.
Its hard to measure this if impossible, but there are fans and there are fans who have monetary resources large enough to afford game tickets and season tickets. Cleveland has a big fan base, with fans all over the globe (Browns Backers), however how many of those fans can be relied upon to buy tickets to home games? Economics are a big portion of the problem for many franchises. Some franchises have adapted by lowering ticket prices to games, the Bengals are not one of those franchises. I remember seeing ticket prices for upper dog pound tickets and being shocked they were in the 40 dollar range. I don't know that there are tickets at PBS that are in the $40 dollar range. The cheapest ticket I found through the Bengals Ticketmaster site is a NW corner ticket for 70 dollars. Probably somewhere next to TJ Yates' parents.
se-alum
Posts: 13,948
Dec 27, 2011 2:48pm
Isn't calling people out for being wrong on a prediction, just as bad as ripping someone for their prediction? So, sportschampps is doing the same thing he's calling people out for. Cool.
se-alum
Posts: 13,948
Dec 27, 2011 2:56pm
Can't the Bengals make some of the seats unavailable for purchase, therefore needing to sell less tickets for a "sellout".
swamisez
Posts: 1,990
Dec 27, 2011 3:11pm
Yes, the Jacksonville jaguars blocked 4 sections of their upper deck to allow for sellouts to prevent tv blackouts.se-alum;1028211 wrote:Can't the Bengals make some of the seats unavailable for purchase, therefore needing to sell less tickets for a "sellout".
