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Dec 17, 2011 8:17 PM
karen lotz;1018410 wrote:Links?
Just one link.

Click the link for Olney's twitter page and after the page loads up whatever browser you have should have the option to Find. Type in evaluator in the find/search bar that pops up.

Hope this helps. :laugh:
Dec 17, 2011 8:17pm
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Dec 17, 2011 10:27 PM
This. Nothing to add, just wanted to subscribe to this thread. Decent discussion on a interesting trade.
Dec 17, 2011 10:27pm
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Dec 17, 2011 10:52 PM
Mulva;1018397 wrote:That's an awful lot to give up for a guy who's benefited from the most pitcher-friendly park in baseball and has some red flags attitude-wise.

Prospects for a proven TOR starter. Prospects always turn out to be awesome, right?

Also, his splits are fine.
Dec 17, 2011 10:52pm
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Dec 17, 2011 11:29 PM
If you just look at the talent traded then sure the Padres probably got the better end. These so called experts aren't taking Votto and Mes into account. Boxberger could be great, but he could also be equal to or worse than Burton/Masset/Ondrusek. With the Cards and Brewers taking hits the time is now for the Reds.

If Chapman can get this starting role figured out by June I'll be very excited.
Dec 17, 2011 11:29pm
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Dec 18, 2011 12:16 AM
The Padres did well. However, the marginal value the Reds helps their team. Unless the Reds were going to turn around and get even more than Latos for those four, I'm not sure you can say it's a bad deal because at least 2 of these guys the Reds didn't have an immediate use for. The third, Grandal, was still blocked by a guy the Reds feel will be better (Mesoraco is MLB ready, better defensively and more highly touted than Yasmani). Like I said before, Boxberger is the guy I think the team could really use in 2 years.
Dec 18, 2011 12:16am
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Dec 18, 2011 12:36 AM
If he wins 18 or more games this year, do you consider it a good deal for the Reds? How many games does he need to average winning the next 4 years to consider this a good trade for Cincy? I thought the Hamilton trade was OK after the first year but soon after it looked like crap. I sure hope this turns out better than that trade.
Dec 18, 2011 12:36am
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Dec 18, 2011 12:41 AM
Winning games is meaningless as a pitcher. Cueto only won 9 last year but honestly, even in a shortened season (missed a month to start and end the year), he could have won 15.
Dec 18, 2011 12:41am
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Dec 18, 2011 8:22 AM
rightfield;1018565 wrote:If he wins 18 or more games this year, do you consider it a good deal for the Reds? How many games does he need to average winning the next 4 years to consider this a good trade for Cincy? I thought the Hamilton trade was OK after the first year but soon after it looked like crap. I sure hope this turns out better than that trade.
Need to get to the postseason
Dec 18, 2011 8:22am
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Dec 18, 2011 8:30 AM
dave;1018616 wrote:Need to get to the postseason
And not get embarrassed again.
Dec 18, 2011 8:30am
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Dec 18, 2011 11:35 AM
or just have plate approaches opposite of what Dusty teaches.
Dec 18, 2011 11:35am
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Dec 18, 2011 11:38 AM
Free dusty. Then we ll talk winning a playoff series or three
Dec 18, 2011 11:38am
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Dec 18, 2011 2:52 PM
Dusty is not a slave..meant to be fire
Dec 18, 2011 2:52pm
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Dec 18, 2011 8:25 PM
Saw Cody Ross mentioned on a trade rumor site. He can't stay healthy but if he did I think reds fans would hate him as much as Stubbs. He strikes out too frequently for consideration
Dec 18, 2011 8:25pm
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Dec 18, 2011 8:32 PM
swamisez;1019393 wrote:Saw Cody Ross mentioned on a trade rumor site. He can't stay healthy but if he did I think reds fans would hate him as much as Stubbs. He strikes out too frequently for consideration
I'll take Heisey and his small contract over Ross.
Dec 18, 2011 8:32pm
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Dec 18, 2011 10:13 PM
swamisez;1019393 wrote:Saw Cody Ross mentioned on a trade rumor site. He can't stay healthy but if he did I think reds fans would hate him as much as Stubbs. He strikes out too frequently for consideration
Reds projected OF:

Drew Stubbs, 205 K in 604 AB = 1 every 2.94 AB
Jay Bruce, 158 K in 585 AB = 1 every 3.70 AB
Chris Heisey, 78 K in 279 AB = 1 every 3.58 AB

Ross would be a great addition because he can hit lefties (career .919 OPS against lefties) and he only struck out every 4.22 AB's, less than the other 3 projected outfielders. Chris Heisey can't hit lefties. He hit .197 last year against lefties. He hit .271 with 17 of his 18 HR's against righties. His AB/K ratio was every 1 out of 2.54 AB's against lefties, which was significantly more frequent than his 3.58 AB's overall.

Cody Ross would be a welcome upgrade over Heisey against lefties, but I agree that he definitely isn't the best option. Definitely other guys out there IMO.
Dec 18, 2011 10:13pm
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Dec 18, 2011 10:47 PM
His sample size against LHP is way too small. Gomes got basically every start against one, Heisey was put in there when a dominant LHP was starting and Bruce got a day off. Not exactly a representation of what he can do, although it could be true. I think Walt wants to be done with the platoon in left, so really how a guy can hit RHP is more important since that's about 75% of what they will face.
Dec 18, 2011 10:47pm
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Dec 19, 2011 2:57 PM
I have faith in Heisey. However, can the Reds really go into the year with those 3 as their outfield options? Can they do so without (as of yet), a proven 4th outfielder/backup?

They need someone else, whether that guy is brought in to start, platoon with Heisey or strictly be a backup. I'm not as high on Dave Sappelt as some either. The guy is going to be lucky to stick in the majors. They need more depth.
Dec 19, 2011 2:57pm
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Dec 19, 2011 3:13 PM
I cringe at the thought of having to watch Drew Stubbs for another year, although he does provide some good laughs trying to play any ball close to the wall in center.
Dec 19, 2011 3:13pm
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Dec 19, 2011 4:20 PM
I still have faith in Stubbs. I want him to work out because he could be a superstar! But this will be the last year I back him. If he doesn't do it this year, then I'll give up
Dec 19, 2011 4:20pm
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Dec 19, 2011 4:56 PM
I hope he turns it around to, but he's shown 0 progress while he's been in Cincy.
Dec 19, 2011 4:56pm
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Dec 19, 2011 5:20 PM
se-alum;1020341 wrote:I hope he turns it around to, but he's shown 0 progress while he's been in Cincy.
I was talking to a friend and we both agreed that is what frustrates us the most about Stubbs. Seems like he's shown marginal improvement and has never made any type of adjustments since he's been in the majors.
Dec 19, 2011 5:20pm
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Dec 19, 2011 8:06 PM
Bruce needs to show some progress. If he can be consistent they can figure out some mix of Heisey/Sappelt/Stubbs in left and center. Walt said at Redsfest he didn't want a platoon like they had with Nix and Lewis the last 2 years so take that FWIW. Sappelt getting something like 30/20/10 starts in LF/CF/RF and being a pinch runner is probably what they are envisioning for him this year.
Dec 19, 2011 8:06pm
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Dec 20, 2011 12:54 PM
I actually think 7.5M per for Kubel is a way-overpayment.
Dec 20, 2011 12:54pm
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Dec 20, 2011 1:36 PM
charliehustle14;1021803 wrote:http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20111219&content_id=26197438&vkey=news_cin&c_id=cin

Kind of disappointed to hear we were talking with Kubel, but wouldn't give him the money he asked for. He just signed with the D-backs for 2 yrs/15 mil. Not that outrageous for a guy who usually goes to for 270/20 HR/80 RBI.
Heisey projects very well against those numbers, and he's very cheap.
Dec 20, 2011 1:36pm