Cleveland Cavaliers 11-12 season thread

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Feb 10, 2012 3:32pm
hoops23;1078609 wrote:No. NBA 80's >> NBA today. If not for Magic and Bird, then MJ, the NBA is probably dead.

The 80's turned out to be one of the better eras of NBA basketball. And, teams were allowed to play PHYSICAL defense. It certainly didn't cater to the offensive player like it does now.
This. The NBA in the 80's and early 90's was a much better product than today's game. For one, defense in the 80's was played, not just encouraged like in today's game. Number 2, rivalries, team and personal. There is absolutely nothing close in todays game to the Boston/LA rivalry or Miller vs. New York. I miss the days when Larry Bird and Chuck Person would talk trash to each other all game, while dropping 35-40pts a piece. Today's NBA game is a joke compared to the 80's/90's.

Also, no doubt LeBron is the best individual player in the league today. Kyrie will be a superstar, but he's not LeBron.
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Feb 10, 2012 3:35pm
se-alum;1082409 wrote:This. The NBA in the 80's and early 90's was a much better product than today's game. For one, defense in the 80's was played, not just encouraged like in today's game. Number 2, rivalries, team and personal. There is absolutely nothing close in todays game to the Boston/LA rivalry or Miller vs. New York. I miss the days when Larry Bird and Chuck Person would talk trash to each other all game, while dropping 35-40pts a piece. Today's NBA game is a joke compared to the 80's/90's.

Also, no doubt LeBron is the best individual player in the league today. Kyrie will be a superstar, but he's not LeBron.
If basketball was better "back in the day", then why isn't Wilt Chamberlain considered the GOAT?
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Feb 10, 2012 3:37pm
sleeper;1082413 wrote:If basketball was better "back in the day", then why isn't Wilt Chamberlain considered the GOAT?
He's certainty up there. But he played in the 60s not the 80s/early 90s. Quit trying to twist words.
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Feb 10, 2012 3:39pm
Commander of Awesome;1082408 wrote:Simmons is right, 3 FAILami Beat players starting is a joke.

And lolfail on the idiots thinking Varejao isn't a good player.
There aren't 3 Heat players starting.
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Feb 10, 2012 3:41pm
Oh I took Bill Simmons quote meaning that there were. My mistake if not.
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Feb 10, 2012 3:41pm
Commander of Awesome;1082416 wrote:He's certainty up there. But he played in the 60s not the 80s/early 90s. Quit trying to twist words.
No. You can't have it both ways. You can't on one hand say "it was better back in the day" and then on the other hand say "well Jordan played in the best era". Its unsubstantiated. Jordan would ride the bench on the Bobcats this season, there's no doubt about it(kidding guys QQ elsewhere). Today's athletes are bigger, faster, stronger, and start playing competitive basketball right out of the womb. I'll take that over anything allegedly better in the past. It's the nostalgia effect. It's a well document psychological phenomena designed to make old farts feel special.
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Feb 10, 2012 3:43pm
Melo, Bron, Wade, Rose, Howard are the starters.

Bosh is a reserve, which is fine. But Andy should DEFINITELY be a reserve also.
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Feb 10, 2012 3:44pm
sleeper;1082425 wrote:No. You can't have it both ways. You can't on one hand say "it was better back in the day" and then on the other hand say "well Jordan played in the best era".
Huh? Jordan's era not considered back in the day?
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Feb 10, 2012 3:45pm
sleeper;1082425 wrote:No. You can't have it both ways. You can't on one hand say "it was better back in the day" and then on the other hand say "well Jordan played in the best era". Its unsubstantiated. Jordan would ride the bench on the Bobcats this season, there's no doubt about it(kidding guys QQ elsewhere). Today's athletes are bigger, faster, stronger, and start playing competitive basketball right out of the womb. I'll take that over anything allegedly better in the past. It's the nostalgia effect. It's a well document psychological phenomena designed to make old farts feel special.
MJ got 20+ a game at the age of 40. He would be the starting 2 guard on every single NBA team right now if he was at a playing age.
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Feb 10, 2012 3:45pm
wildcats20;1082427 wrote:Melo, Bron, Wade, Rose, Howard are the starters.

Bosh is a reserve, which is fine. But Andy should DEFINITELY be a reserve also.
I think Andy deserves to be a reserve, but I understand him not being on the team.
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Feb 10, 2012 3:45pm
wildcats20;1082432 wrote:MJ got 20+ a game at the age of 40. He would be the starting 2 guard on every single NBA team right now if he was at a playing age.
There is no doubt. None.
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Feb 10, 2012 3:55pm
Commander of Awesome;1082434 wrote:There is no doubt. None.
You made the claim, please prove it.

Or is that just an opinion? If it's an opinion, please state as such.
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Feb 10, 2012 5:03pm
sleeper;1082442 wrote:You made the claim, please prove it.

Or is that just an opinion? If it's an opinion, please state as such.

If Jordan Crawford can dunk on Lebron James I am pretty sure MJ would have no trouble playing in todays NBA. Lebron couldn't play in the 80's NBA because it would be way too physical for him.
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Feb 10, 2012 5:13pm
sleeper;1082425 wrote:No. You can't have it both ways. You can't on one hand say "it was better back in the day" and then on the other hand say "well Jordan played in the best era". Its unsubstantiated. Jordan would ride the bench on the Bobcats this season, there's no doubt about it(kidding guys QQ elsewhere). Today's athletes are bigger, faster, stronger, and start playing competitive basketball right out of the womb. I'll take that over anything allegedly better in the past. It's the nostalgia effect. It's a well document psychological phenomena designed to make old farts feel special.

Never said the players of today weren't bigger, faster, and stronger. However, that doesn't make the product on the court better.
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Feb 10, 2012 6:47pm
Skyhook79;1082498 wrote:If Jordan Crawford can dunk on Lebron James I am pretty sure MJ would have no trouble playing in todays NBA. Lebron couldn't play in the 80's NBA because it would be way too physical for him.
So dunking on someone equates to being able to play consistently at a certain level? Interesting. Lebron would be bigger and stronger than most 4's in that era, you act like because the rules were different and there were rough rivalries that he wouldn't be able to play in that era, just silly.
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Feb 10, 2012 6:53pm
You give those athletes back in the 80's the nutritional guidelines, workout equipment/regimens, and trainers that we have today and you'd see the same results.

You act like the athletes in the 80's were small and fragile and couldn't jump or some shit... The argument is just stupid as fuck.

DR. J was every bit as athletic as LeBron... Clyde, Girvin, etc...
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Feb 10, 2012 7:05pm
hoops23;1082545 wrote:You give those athletes back in the 80's the nutritional guidelines, workout equipment/regimens, and trainers that we have today and you'd see the same results.

You act like the athletes in the 80's were small and fragile and couldn't jump or some ****... The argument is just stupid as ****.

DR. J was every bit as athletic as LeBron... Clyde, Girvin, etc...
Dr J was not as athletic as Lebron, you have never seen anyone that size move that way. Not saying there weren't great athletes back then because there were. Top to bottom there is no comparison though imo. Anyone who has played the game knows how much of a difference athleticism makes, even minuscule.
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Feb 10, 2012 7:24pm
robj55;1082550 wrote:Dr J was not as athletic as Lebron, you have never seen anyone that size move that way. Not saying there weren't great athletes back then because there were. Top to bottom there is no comparison though imo. Anyone who has played the game knows how much of a difference athleticism makes, even minuscule.
Dude, do you ALWAYS have to defend Lebron? You won't even allow someone to make fun of his hair line.

Athleticism goes a long way in bball but it's not the only thing that matters. I have played ball against plenty of athletic guys that suck at basketball.
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Feb 10, 2012 7:59pm
KR1245;1082567 wrote:Dude, do you ALWAYS have to defend Lebron? You won't even allow someone to make fun of his hair line.

Athleticism goes a long way in bball but it's not the only thing that matters. I have played ball against plenty of athletic guys that suck at basketball.
So Dr J is a better athlete than Lebron, yes or no? Has nothing to do with me defending Lebron, that point is wrong.
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Feb 10, 2012 8:04pm
Wow Cavs were on fire at the beginning then gave it all back.
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Feb 10, 2012 8:27pm
robj55;1082586 wrote:So Dr J is a better athlete than Lebron, yes or no? Has nothing to do with me defending Lebron, that point is wrong.
LOL, you're a fucking idiot. Are you SQ?

Please tell me Dr J is not athletic? Dr J was 6'7''... 1 inch shorter than LeBron. Also, where did ANYONE say Dr. J was more athletic?

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Feb 10, 2012 8:29pm
That block by Gee was all ball. Only called a foul because dude fell hard.
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Feb 10, 2012 8:57pm
hoops23;1082601 wrote:LOL, you're a ****ing idiot. Are you SQ?

Please tell me Dr J is not athletic? Dr J was 6'7''... 1 inch shorter than LeBron. Also, where did ANYONE say Dr. J was more athletic?

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I never said Dr J wasn't athletic. You claimed he was every bit as athletic as Lebron which is just flat out wrong. Name call all you want but that claim is wrong, "idiot".
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Feb 10, 2012 9:01pm
You also claimed that Pau Gasol was , "ass", lol.
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Feb 10, 2012 9:38pm
keep it up Jamison and Sessions. Need to get that value up.