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Jan 28, 2012 10:58 AM
sportswizuhrd;1068374 wrote:Agreed.

Thomas is the 33rd best sophomore according to draftexpress.com. Not sure if anyone else visits their site at all, but I am a fan of their work and they have pretty extensive profiles on college plays/foreign players.

http://www.draftexpress.com/rankings/NCAA-Sophomores/
Thomas is not the 33rd best soph he is much higher.
Jan 28, 2012 10:58am
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Jan 28, 2012 1:11 PM
Skyhook79;1068379 wrote:Thomas is not the 33rd best soph he is much higher.
39th here.
http://nbadraft.net/ranking/ncaa/2014

I think it goes by NBA potential and not how well they are playing in comparison to other players in the class. Thomas being a "tweener" might have something to do with him being 33rd and 39th.
Jan 28, 2012 1:11pm
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Jan 28, 2012 1:42 PM
I don't get this "tweener" talk. It's the most overused and laziest term when evaluating a prospect. Derrick Williams was a "tweener" and was taken 2nd overall. I think he's a guy like Parker that you could put at the 2 or occasionally the 3 in some lineups. His quickness and length are underrated. If OSU didn't have Sullinger, Thomas would be even more of a factor on offense. I think a lot of the criticisms I've seen from some people on here are more from his play last year than this year. The improvement is notable. I never said take him with a first round pick, I simply pointed out that he has the skills and potential to fill a need for the Cavs. The "homer" card is just more laziness.
Jan 28, 2012 1:42pm
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Jan 28, 2012 2:00 PM
Y-Town Steelhound;1068488 wrote:I don't get this "tweener" talk. It's the most overused and laziest term when evaluating a prospect. Derrick Williams was a "tweener" and was taken 2nd overall.
Well there's a difference in being a top 3 talent tweener, and a pretty average prospect tweener.
Jan 28, 2012 2:00pm
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Jan 28, 2012 2:17 PM
SportsAndLady;1068503 wrote:Well there's a difference in being a top 3 talent tweener, and a pretty average prospect tweener.
Ok, as I said before I never said to draft him in the 1st round. I just said he's someone to keep an eye on going forward. Personally I want the Cavs to take MKG with their 1st rounder this year.
Jan 28, 2012 2:17pm
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Jan 28, 2012 2:19 PM
Honestly your a homer Thomas is good for Ohio st but he won't make the nba. Tweezers don't have much success in the nba
Jan 28, 2012 2:19pm
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Jan 28, 2012 2:28 PM
Crimson streak;1068544 wrote:Honestly your a homer Thomas is good for Ohio st but he won't make the nba. Tweezers don't have much success in the nba
Yea because no one 6'7'' with a good shot has ever played in the NBA :rolleyes:. Won't even make it? LOL. Call me homer all you want, which would be true if I had mentioned just his name and nothing else, but I actually provided arguments (I know many of you don't know what these are, they're kind of like the baseless name calling you guys are familiar with but with "facts" attached) as to why his game translates to the NBA level. Plus anyone who doesn't know how to spell "you're" doesn't exactly have room to criticize others.

Anyways back to the old wine and gold. The Hornets are apparently actively trying to trade Chris Kaman. Not sure the Cavs would show a ton of interest but he'd definitely be the best center on the Cavs roster. Thoughts?
Jan 28, 2012 2:28pm
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Jan 28, 2012 2:52 PM
Crimson streak;1068544 wrote:Tweezers don't have much success in the nba
They do if they pair up with a dude who has a lot of body hair. :D
Jan 28, 2012 2:52pm
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Jan 28, 2012 3:14 PM
BR1986FB;1068570 wrote:They do if they pair up with a dude who has a lot of body hair. :D

Haha damn auto correct. As for Thomas he's not quick enough to play the 2 or even 3 and he's not big enough to play the 4.
Jan 28, 2012 3:14pm
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Jan 28, 2012 5:03 PM
Crimson streak;1068544 wrote:Honestly your a homer Thomas is good for Ohio st but he won't make the nba. Tweezers don't have much success in the nba
DeShaun Thomas could most definitely make it in the NBA. He's not going to be a starter or a major contributor..

He's going to be a bench/role player who can come in and provide instant offense.

Al Harrington, Wilson Chandler, etc..

If a guy like Justin Harper can get drafted in the 2nd round, so can Thomas.
Jan 28, 2012 5:03pm
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Jan 28, 2012 6:31 PM
Crimson streak;1068588 wrote:Haha damn auto correct. As for Thomas he's not quick enough to play the 2 or even 3 and he's not big enough to play the 4.
If you don't think he's quick enough to play the 3 you haven't been watching very much of him...
Jan 28, 2012 6:31pm
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Jan 28, 2012 6:40 PM
People get caught up in positions too often.

If Thomas is coming off the bench, it doesn't really matter what position he's playing. He'll find a spot on the floor, guard his man, and take some shots.

He's not a guy you draft to build your franchise around. That's where the "tweener" issue comes into play.

IMO, Derrick Williams wasn't a franchise cornerstone type of player. He's going to be a "spark guy," one who may get you a consistent 13-15 PPG in his career.

I could be wrong and he could potentially develop into a legit player at the 3 or maybe the 4, but I just don't see it given his overall skillset. He's not quick with the dribble and he gets stuck in halfcourt sets.
Jan 28, 2012 6:40pm
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Jan 28, 2012 6:45 PM
Just read from cavs twitter that they are interested in kaman
Jan 28, 2012 6:45pm
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Jan 28, 2012 8:00 PM
Midstate01;1068687 wrote:Just read from cavs twitter that they are interested in kaman
Interesting. I think he's better than any big we have when healthy, but he turns 30 soon and his contract expires at the end of the year.
Jan 28, 2012 8:00pm
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Jan 28, 2012 8:15 PM
I'd post the article but it's the mobile version. Did that before and people threw a fit.
Jan 28, 2012 8:15pm
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Jan 28, 2012 8:27 PM
[LEFT]From the twitter of Adrian Wojnarowski (yahoo b-ball writer)
To be clear, Jazz checked on Kaman some time ago but doesn't make sense now. Detroit likes him, needs center. Most teams have found (cont.)
(Cont.) Hornets asking price for Kaman too high. "They were asking for draft picks, cap space and a young player," one executive says.


Picks-NO do not get rid of picks
Cap Space...Jamison
Young player-Samuels, but why would they want him? Erden?

I don't see how this trade gets done if this is what they want.

Another tweet from AW.

As NBA/Hornets survey trade market for Chris Kaman, Rockets, Pacers, Jazz, Spurs are a few teams with interest, sources tell Y!


I would say he goes to the Rockets or Spurs. Pacers and Jazz are ok without him. [/LEFT]
Jan 28, 2012 8:27pm
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Jan 28, 2012 11:10 PM
Jazz makes no sense at all. I could see Houston working out. He's an upgrade over Dalembert, and they've got plenty of young players that NO could choose from in exchange.

I wouldn't mind parting with Jamison and Samuels/Erden for him if it turns out that there's no market at all for Antawn. But I wouldn't deal any picks (even a 2nd rounder) in addition to that.
Jan 28, 2012 11:10pm
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Jan 28, 2012 11:35 PM
Mulva;1068808 wrote:Jazz makes no sense at all. I could see Houston working out. He's an upgrade over Dalembert, and they've got plenty of young players that NO could choose from in exchange.

I wouldn't mind parting with Jamison and Samuels/Erden for him if it turns out that there's no market at all for Antawn. But I wouldn't deal any picks (even a 2nd rounder) in addition to that.

A 3 way with the jazz makes sense. They trade picks, we trade players, we get kaman
Jan 28, 2012 11:35pm
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Jan 28, 2012 11:50 PM
Jamison for Kaman works straight up but they would get 3 more million off the books in the offseason.

To get Utah or Houston in the deal, they will have to get a player out of it and likely from us and to get rid of Kaman, the Hornets would want players and picks.

I could see Kaman to Houston for Scola and Patrick Patterson. I think those two were supposed to go to New Orleans in the failed Laker deal for CP3.
Jan 28, 2012 11:50pm
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Jan 29, 2012 9:17 AM
Midstate01;1068687 wrote:Just read from cavs twitter that they are interested in kaman
I can't try think of a single reason why the Cavs should trade for Kaman. I like the idea 3-4 years ago but not anymore
Jan 29, 2012 9:17am
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Jan 29, 2012 12:41 PM
KR1245;1068907 wrote:I can't try think of a single reason why the Cavs should trade for Kaman. I like the idea 3-4 years ago but not anymore
He's better than any post player we have on the team when healthy. I'd say that's a good reason to be interested.
Jan 29, 2012 12:41pm
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Jan 29, 2012 12:50 PM
Mulva;1068991 wrote:He's better than any post player we have on the team when healthy. I'd say that's a good reason to be interested.
Why do it now? I'm not trading away any of our assets for a 30 year old big with a history of injuries. It totally goes against what the Cavs are trying to do and that's build through the draft. Kaman will make them a better team and push them out of a top 10 pick. No thanks, I'll stick with Andy, Hollins, Samuels etc.. and hopefully another high pick
Jan 29, 2012 12:50pm
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Jan 29, 2012 12:59 PM
I think Wojo recently tweeted that they were looking to get picks, young players and cap space in return for Kaman. I'm not going anywhere near that unless they feel like throwing in Gordon
Jan 29, 2012 12:59pm
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Jan 29, 2012 1:31 PM
KR1245;1068999 wrote:Why do it now? I'm not trading away any of our assets for a 30 year old big with a history of injuries. It totally goes against what the Cavs are trying to do and that's build through the draft.
Simply being on the roster doesn't make a player an asset. Why would you want to stick with Samuels, Erden, and Hollins? It's painfully obvious that they need to be upgraded.

There's a difference in having no reason to trade for a player and no reason to trade the desired return for a player. Obviously it would be dumb to give up everything NO wants, but that's why you negotiate. I don't think there's much of a chance that he ends up here, but he's certainly an upgrade at center and probably has 3-4 good seasons left in him.
Jan 29, 2012 1:31pm
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Jan 29, 2012 2:52 PM
Mulva;1069016 wrote:Simply being on the roster doesn't make a player an asset. Why would you want to stick with Samuels, Erden, and Hollins? It's painfully obvious that they need to be upgraded.

There's a difference in having no reason to trade for a player and no reason to trade the desired return for a player. Obviously it would be dumb to give up everything NO wants, but that's why you negotiate. I don't think there's much of a chance that he ends up here, but he's certainly an upgrade at center and probably has 3-4 good seasons left in him.

I'm not going to disagree that he would be an upgrade. I just think the Cavs should only be making trades for picks or younger players.

This team doesn't have many trade assets and I wouldn't use them on a big man thats past his prime.
Jan 29, 2012 2:52pm